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Posted by: ruperty - Sun May 24, 2015 11:17 am
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Post Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Sun May 24, 2015 11:17 am
I'd seen in various places that a program to go to the moon would cost around a $1 billion these days.

It sounds like a lot of money, but perhaps not so much considering that a single bank, Barclays, had to pay $2 billion this week just for a fine!

If so, why are we not going to the moon?

Are there actually any serious programs to return to the moon?


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Sun May 24, 2015 1:10 pm
ruperty wrote:
I'd seen in various places that a program to go to the moon would cost around a $1 billion these days.

It sounds like a lot of money, but perhaps not so much considering that a single bank, Barclays, had to pay $2 billion this week just for a fine!

If so, why are we not going to the moon?

Are there actually any serious programs to return to the moon?


https://launch.lunarmissionone.com/ is I think quite serious it is in the early stages but i think their objectives are achievable and i suspect their project will come well under the 1B$ mark.

Though if you mean a serious Man mission I suspect you are closer to the mark. I also think one of the Google X prize people might eventually succeed in an unmanned cheaper mission even if they have to extend the deadlines a couple more times.

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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Mon May 25, 2015 8:50 pm
ruperty wrote:
I'd seen in various places that a program to go to the moon would cost around a $1 billion these days.

It sounds like a lot of money, but perhaps not so much considering that a single bank, Barclays, had to pay $2 billion this week just for a fine!

If so, why are we not going to the moon?

Are there actually any serious programs to return to the moon?


Because there is more money to be made, with less risk, investing in the latest useless app or toilet paper futures.

No there are no serious (government sponsored) manned lunar projects. The closest, most likely would be the Chinese. Even with unmanned, most are just wishful thinking without a chance of getting funded enough to get to the moon.


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Tue Jun 09, 2015 8:33 am
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Even with unmanned, most are just wishful thinking without a chance of getting funded enough to get to the moon.

I went along to the inaugral meeting of Lunar Mission One at the Royal Institution in London last week. It was a very professional outfit with lots of support and a good financial plan for the challenge.

Although the initial mission is unmanned, the intention is for future manned missions.

Why do you think they don't have a chance?


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Tue Jun 09, 2015 1:23 pm
Because lots of fans and all the plans in the world does not put hardware in orbit.


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Tue Jun 09, 2015 6:12 pm
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Because lots of fans and all the plans in the world does not put hardware in orbit.


That doesn't answer my question, as you said that they don't have a chance; of making those plans a reality. Do you know something the rest of us don't?


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Thu Jun 11, 2015 1:29 pm
I did answer your question.


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:46 pm
JamesG wrote:
I did answer your question.


Actually you didn't. Your response was about the current situation, fans and plans. But your original point was about the future, that they wouldn't have any chance, in the future.

You don't have to answer, of course, I was just curious why you think that way, and what was the basis for that view.


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:59 pm
This isn't the first (nor last) project like this. None of them succeeded because having a good plan doesn't mean much. Its all in the execution with not a little bit of luck as well. That is why the odds are highly against their success.


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:47 pm
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This isn't the first (nor last) project like this. None of them succeeded because having a good plan doesn't mean much. Its all in the execution with not a little bit of luck as well. That is why the odds are highly against their success.

Well, saying the odds are against them is better than saying they have no chance.

It is, of course, a very difficult think to do, but do you know what would make it more likely to succeed?

You!

And me, and others on this forum, and appropriate experts, and funders. Wouldn't it be better to get behind the project and help them rather than sit in our armchairs and just stare?

It's up to us!


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Wed Jun 17, 2015 5:09 pm
They'll have better luck with a million/billion-aire or two...


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:58 pm
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They'll have better luck with a million/billion-aire or two...

The future is crowd funding! It enables little people like us to take action and make something happen without having to wait for the billionaires.

When that spaceship lands on the moon what would give you the better feeling; that you sat back and did nothing, or that you participated and were part of a great achievement?

Power to the people!


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Fri Jun 26, 2015 3:53 pm
simply landing on the moon again would be a huge waste,

send up a team of 3d printing rovers.

we need construction crews up there, not tourists.

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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:23 pm
Moon trip is too costly to ordinary than an extraordinary trip to billion dollar worth man.,


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Post Re: Billion dollar moon trip   Posted on: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:00 am
A recent study concluded a return to the Moon could be done an order of magnitude cheaper than the NASA estimates by the commercial space approach:

The Moon might have a precious resource that could reduce NASA's Mars missions by $10 billion a year
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Jul. 20, 2015, 4:06 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/moon-tri ... get-2015-7

Press Conference on Evolvable Lunar Architecture July 20 2015.
Published on Jul 20, 2015
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Press conference where the National Space Society (NSS) and Space Frontier Foundation (SFF) announced their support for NASA's funding of the newly released NexGen Space study, illustrating how to cut the cost of human space exploration by a factor of 10. The study, "Economic Assessment and Systems Analysis of an Evolvable Lunar Architecture that Leverages Commercial Space Capabilities and Public - Private - Partnerships," finds public-private partnerships are able to return humans to the Moon for approximately 90% less than the previously estimated $100 billion, allowing the United States to ensure national security in a new space age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=520&v=ZRNgcC7wn5w

I think individual flights to the Moon could be done at the few hundred million dollars range by commercial space. The reason is SpaceX has said it could do a manned lunar landing using two Falcon Heavy's and a Dragon capsule.
The Falcon Heavy would cost in the range of $125 million each and the Dragon, $60 million, then that's a total cost of $310 million.


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