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Clearly there's a low interest in space, why?

Posted by: Sean Girling - Fri Mar 05, 2004 3:45 pm
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Post    Posted on: Thu Jul 15, 2004 1:20 pm
There's an american marketing consultant in the high technology branch - especially informatics and computers - who has written a very interesting book describing a theory he has worked out and the practical experiences the theory is based on.

He is saying that in high technology the first step allways is enthusiasm financed by visioneers. The second step is the nearly but not totally disappearance of activities because of a lack of money comparable to a deep hole and the third step is the beginning of success.

I suppose the current activities to be the first step and people like Paul Allen as well as the XPRIZE Foundation to be visioneers. The teams competing and the people discussing at the message board supposingly are enthusiasts - and - as traveler said - pioneers.

Perhaps there will be no deep hole because of the Aldridge report, other prizes etc., but the consultant in his book is supplying successful ways out of the hole or strategies not to fall into.

If someone is interested in the title and the author of that book I will tell them here.



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Post    Posted on: Tue Jul 20, 2004 7:25 pm
Sean Girling wrote:
Are WE really that forward thinking that most of the others feel that they just can't join in?


In a word, yes. The message board here tends toward the very technical. I was reading a number of the posts and got lost in the terminology of rocket science more than a few times. I don't have a astro-physics background, even as a hobby. I am just an avid traveller who was looking to see what my chances were to fly into space.

Of course, that is probably a function of where in the process this whole privatized space travel thing is right now. We are still in the experimental stages. Once that a few of the entrants can prove consistant and safe launches, I am sure that there will be more interest from businesses looking to take advantage of cheaper launch methods and cutting edge tourists looking for the latest thrill.

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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:12 am
Tending to very technical questions and responses is due to the nature of the situation. Concerning Home Computers and Personal Computers this was similar twenty years ago. The situation there has changed in between but Hardware and Software engineers are still discussing PCs technical due to their profession.

So people having non-technical views upon space, spaceships, planets etc. are invited to add their thoughts I think. After the XPRIZE is won there will be a time of technical fascination concerning private spacecrafts and their improvement. The spacecrafts will mature and then at least loose some of their fascination - then there will rise the question what really useful things to do with them. That would be quite similar to the lifecycle of the PC-fascination. The XPRIZE Foundation seems to have taken into account this.

This question seems to be your view and it is part of my own view - and it will be a source of new aspects to the technical view as well as our view will get new aspects form the technical view.

But space and spacecrafts have a big advantage in comparison to PCs - the dreams and ideas of the fans and authors of Star Trek and Perry Rhodan and many other SF, the fascination and interest of people that have been watching the manned moon missions and the activities of the mars rovers. And add those amateur-astronomers interested in the results of mars-crafts as well as of Cassini-Huygens, Voyagers and Vikings and earth-bound detections concerning Venus and Mercury.

As a traveller you might be looking for routes to the planets or the libration points - similar to roads on earth shown by maps. You might interested an an infrastructur and logistics like service stations along highways.

Do you? I myself do as a part of my interest in these things. Let's work it out in this message board tigether with others interesed in such questions too.

What about this?



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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:17 pm
well as a total technical outsider, and an internet guy, I can say that you do not have a lot of exposure out there - this is the first time I have heard about this site (and suprise suprise I come from gaming/tech community via John Carmack comment) and I joined straight :).

The point being is that there is interest in what you guys are doing and this looks to me like the true frontier that you are trying to "conquer". Now some informal marketing would be good; like someone making an interview, raise some expectations, hype it up etc, if you want to raise the public awareness.

My only contacts with you were the awareness that John Carmack as part of Armadillo joined in for the Xprize and the SpaceShipOne news exposure about flying up to 100km. That surely counts, but with regards to this site/msgboard specifically, the above is when I came here.

I would say trough reading here - people are mostly techical, but what else would you expect :).


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But space and spacecrafts have a big advantage in comparison to PCs - the dreams and ideas of the fans and authors of Star Trek and Perry Rhodan and many other SF, the fascination and interest of people that have been watching the manned moon missions and the activities of the mars rovers. And add those amateur-astronomers interested in the results of mars-crafts as well as of Cassini-Huygens, Voyagers and Vikings and earth-bound detections concerning Venus and Mercury.


and IMHO not just those people, but in principle everyone, as space is the next big thing that has been on a backburner for a while and private enteprises finally making effort - like this prize; will hopefully make space travel a viable opportunity for masses, with some more uses other than tourism.


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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:25 pm
So what we need is a computer game, that subtly nods towards X-Prize. Some first person adventure where the theft of an advanced spacecraft is needed to complete a mission. Suddenly, every gamer is actually flying an X-Prize craft. Ha! Put it on the Playstation2 with their millions of machines everywhere, and that's some audience.

Or drop the thread into a movie. Ahah, the game for the movie. I can see a book deal coming. :D

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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:32 pm
Sean Girling wrote:
So what we need is a computer game, that subtly nods towards X-Prize. Some first person adventure where the theft of an advanced spacecraft is needed to complete a mission. Suddenly, every gamer is actually flying an X-Prize craft. Ha! Put it on the Playstation2 with their millions of machines everywhere, and that's some audience.

Or drop the thread into a movie. Ahah, the game for the movie. I can see a book deal coming. :D


Not a bad idea :) lol

@druga runda, I really think x prize is very promoted on the internet.. also if you would read cnn or bbc .com daily.. you would see every month or so news articles related to the x prize. (even on front page).

I just guess, most gamers are only "gamers" and not visiting news sites or more technological sites for example space.com etc.

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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:38 pm
Sounds a little bit as I shouldn't have compared the situation of private space activities to situations of PC development.

But it might be a good idea that the XPRIZE teams should initiate REALISTIC PC games around their spacecraft and the Foundation around the XPRIZE and the XPRIZE CUP. That would be very good advertisement and pull money the teams and the Foundation.

Important: XPRIZE and the teams must be owners of the games - at least of the concepts of the games.

The best kind of concepts would be those, who are stimulating new ideas interesting for the teams and this way improvung the spacecrafts.

Especially this the Foundation might a new prize off at a lower level for students and pupils to get a wider basis of assistance for its goals.

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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:39 pm
Sigurd wrote:
Sean Girling wrote:
So what we need is a computer game, that subtly nods towards X-Prize. Some first person adventure where the theft of an advanced spacecraft is needed to complete a mission. Suddenly, every gamer is actually flying an X-Prize craft. Ha! Put it on the Playstation2 with their millions of machines everywhere, and that's some audience.

Or drop the thread into a movie. Ahah, the game for the movie. I can see a book deal coming. :D


Not a bad idea :) lol

@druga runda, I really think x prize is very promoted on the internet.. also if you would read cnn or bbc .com daily.. you would see every month or so news articles related to the x prize. (even on front page).

I just guess, most gamers are only "gamers" and not visiting news sites or more technological sites for example space.com etc.


ON the game idea :lol: if it was good that would sure hype it up more than anyone here would want I am sure :D

as for the promotion of xprize on the net - hey I do visit news sites regularly; though not space.com;

from my perspective most people who see the articles (Ok at least me; so I assume most:) ) are either not the kind of people who would get into an on-line community, or do not expect a project like that to have one.

I am in the latter category. I found it here I am ;) because I am actually fascinated with the idea as well.


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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:48 pm
Hello druga runda,

I read about the XPRIZE in an important german newspaper having a science&technology part. It has been reporting about SpaceShipOne several times and about plans of Suborbital Corporation too. I am reading the newspapaer over internet - where's the difference to reading it printed?

Also I get printed journals and read them.

The XPRIZE is reported in the german journal GEO too and it is quite probable by experience today that someone who read the articles will search the web for all this too.



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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:52 pm
well for financing you need the visionaries who have $$$ and are willing to risk it for development/good cause, and you already have that.

But for awareness, hmmm this specific site could get flooded if only John Carmack said something like - go there. But I am not sure that you people here - I have checked the members less than 500 to date, would want that.

Even though there is a lot of overlap in the interest of the potential communities the sheer number of gamers would change the conent a lot and the main question is what do you expect from popularization of this site in particular? Bigger community does not neccessarily mean better community.

As for popularity of space flight in general, as I menitoned you need someone making rounds and discussing the benefits/ issues and making rounds in the media, I think that the general population has a lot of desire to explore/ follow the developments but the imagination just needs to be given some food and direction basically.


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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:04 pm
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Hello druga runda,

I read about the XPRIZE in an important german newspaper having a science&technology part. It has been reporting about SpaceShipOne several times and about plans of Suborbital Corporation too. I am reading the newspapaer over internet - where's the difference to reading it printed?

Also I get printed journals and read them.

The XPRIZE is reported in the german journal GEO too and it is quite probable by experience today that someone who read the articles will search the web for all this too.



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Hello!

Well we came here and are in general probably in two different interest spheres, well you were looking for the information regardless of the internet, but I am an example of a possible popular score, ie a guy who will know more etc... clearly from here, as in my private life outside of the net/work I do not have enough time to dedicate more interest to such enteprises as xprize (other than read a news article now and again when it appears. )


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Post    Posted on: Wed Jul 21, 2004 3:20 pm
That may be - I suppose I'm not the only one coming from a differnt world because all people here are coming from different worlds. That's the source of useful creativity and phyntasy to be found here.

I'm combining several things in discussing here - ideas coming from being interested in astronomy, relevant topics from Economics, imagines that are part of Star Trek, experiences made as someone working in commercial informatics, knowledges in Law and Politics and much more. Combining all this is seeing the world and living in it instead of being a sterile specialist.



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Post    Posted on: Mon Sep 06, 2004 2:47 am
Ekkehard Augustin wrote:
But it might be a good idea that the XPRIZE teams should initiate REALISTIC PC games around their spacecraft and the Foundation around the XPRIZE and the XPRIZE CUP. That would be very good advertisement and pull money the teams and the Foundation.


In certain ways, X-Plane already fills this niche. X-Plane is a pretty cool flight simulator which models aerodynamics fairly accurately. A number of people have modeled X Prize vehicles with this, including SpaceShipOne and the XCOR vehicle.


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Post    Posted on: Mon Sep 06, 2004 4:14 am
I am new to these forums and I was surpised at the low interest, but I agree with what is being said on this thread. As soon as things get interesting and the media decides to report about it, these forums will get a boost. The end of this month is when I expect the boost too. With Space Ship One and Da Vinci racing to be the first to complete two flights, things will get very interesting! The media will become interested, and the X-Prize will become well known.

Personally I am from Space.com, and found these forums while visiting XPrize.com looking for information for a thread over there.

Sigurd, very interesting Spiral Dynamics. Thank you.


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Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:53 pm
I think its a lot of things that is causing Space travel and Science in general to not be interesting.


There is just not enough coverage on evens and not enough articles produced in news papers about these subjects to get everyones attention.


Even if there is something written or reported on the new or newspapers its usually very out of touch with whats happening, its dumbed down a lot and conservative.

I mean once a guy said on the news that we wont have Private space travel for another 200 years atleast. I mean how is that going to get people interested. We need to be more optomistic.

Eduction is another problem, Young people are not getting the right education. I was always interested in Space in School but We almost never ever talked about it in Physics class or whatever.


We have to get people interested. Unfortanatly people get interested when some1 dies. We need to promote space travel and science a lot better and offer more education on it.


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