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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:02 am
Hey, all I'm saying is that I know my Bible and the "terraforming" didn't take seven days:
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Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
...the animals came later, but they were just an afterthought.
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Now, literal vs. poetic days is a whole different argument. :wink:

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Why don't we replicate the conditions of Mars here on Earth, and fix up some extremophiles who can thrive in it? Then all we have to do is dump them on Mars, and presto - soon, Mars will be covered with them! This would actually be a great project for a kid's science fair. I'll bet it would get first place.
If it didn't get first place that would be truly amazing. :shock:
Then again, maybe the Jones's kid demonstrated cold fusion at the same science fair.

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:33 am
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Hey, I'm just saying, I know my Bible and the "terraforming" didn't take seven days:
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Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.
...the animals came later, but they were just an afterthought.
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Now, literal vs. poetic days is a whole different argument. :wink:

Yes, the whole thing is allegory, and can't be taken literally - according to real biblical scholars from the middle ages, who had to explain the Bible to fit with Darwin and modern science.


Oh, also, anyone who disagrees is a pumpkin head. And a nose-picker. And also a pumpkin head (didn't I already mention that?). :P

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Why don't we replicate the conditions of Mars here on Earth, and fix up some extremophiles who can thrive in it? Then all we have to do is dump them on Mars, and presto - soon, Mars will be covered with them! This would actually be a great project for a kid's science fair. I'll bet it would get first place.
If it didn't get first place that would be truly amazing. :shock:
Then again, maybe the Jones's kid demonstrated cold fusion at the same science fair.


I actually have heard that there are serious scientists who are working on cold fusion. Of course, that was on youtube, so I don't know how reliable it is. In any case, no one has apparently figured out yet how to get more energy out of their contraptions than they put in. But that's only a matter of time. Or is time only a matter of matter? This is deeeeeep . . .

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:18 am
Check this out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion

Add in a pulse laser system focused on the "collapse region" timed to hit it @ it's hottest point and we have a winner :)

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Sun Apr 21, 2013 6:55 am
NASA is working on cold fusion as well. No promise that it'll actually work of course...

As for replicating Mars on Earth, that's an interesting concept, and probably not even all that difficult, except for the gravity. A vacuum chamber, some CO2, and some suitable dirt?

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:59 pm
Gravity shouldn't be such a big deal - the difference between Mars gravity and Earth gravity is relatively small, at least compared with the moon, and other planets in the solar system. And we're talking about bacteria, not people (yet).

Cold Fusion:
Just because NASA funds it, doesn't mean it's worth funding - it's a government agency, after all. On the other hand, it doesn't mean that it won't work, either.

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Wed Apr 24, 2013 3:53 am
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Just because NASA funds it, doesn't mean it's worth funding - it's a government agency, after all.
I think I'm really starting to like you, SuperShuki. :lol:

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:08 pm
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Just because NASA funds it, doesn't mean it's worth funding - it's a government agency, after all.
I think I'm really starting to like you, SuperShuki. :lol:


A fellow capitalist blood sucking pig - welcome to the forum, and beware! Here be commies!

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:24 am
Thanks for the heads up, we capitalist swine must always be vigilant. :wink: In the immortal words of Margaret Thatcher...

"Marxists get up early to further their cause. We must get up even earlier to defend our freedom."

(I prefer to sleep in just in case freedom needs somebody to fill in on second or third shift.)

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:38 am
I'll buy your capitalism from you when everyone is educated, until then I point to the hoards of ....... uninformed...

I vote for a future full of propagation of intelligence, not suffering

I don't like capitalism, socialism or communism, but rather a hybrid,

a. Communism = free education healthcare food and housing

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B .Capitalism = anything beyond A

= C (What works)

think star-trek....

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:16 am
I'll take that communism from you (because it doesn't belong to you...) when everyone is capable of critical thinking. Until then, I point to the hordes of... propaganda.

No, in truth I don't like either of those systems, though I'm far more sympathetic to capitalism. Communism often means that no-one gets education or healthcare, rather than everyone, and I'd rather have one apple whilst another gets two than have no apples between us.

I prefer a basic post-scarcity world, with private currencies for trading in scarce luxuries and a healthy volunteer sector (people have to do *something* with their time) providing education and healthcare. Sort of like Star Trek.

A = open source volunteer model, providing the basic needs of life and quite a few of it's "luxuries"

B = a laissez-faire market providing everything else that can't be provided by A

A + B = C = my ideal system.


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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:55 pm
Nothing is free unless everything is.

Nothing is free if demand exceeds supply.

Since supply is limited and our demands are unlimited,

You can't get there from here.


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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:29 pm
Algae can make waste water safe to drink while powering your home,

Chickens are self replicating and so is algae, I intend to design self propagating change :) :)

Duckweed feeds chickens...

Geodesic home sections can be grown from plastic harvested from algae, sequestering co2, while absorbing nutrients that otherwise end up in the ocean, causing red tides,

Solutions for this can fix that :)

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:51 pm
JamesG wrote:
Nothing is free unless everything is.

Nothing is free if demand exceeds supply.

Since supply is limited and our demands are unlimited,

You can't get there from here.



The thing about colonising space is the limit on resources is less than down here approx 7 billion humans with 100 Billion solar systems in our local galaxy i don't know about you but 14 solar systems each would satisfy mine and most peoples basic needs that is until i get bored enough*1 to want to start playing with the galactic black hole. :wink: :twisted:


*1 IE. very bored and hopefully with tech at a level where i can have a backup spare body a thousand light years a way just in case.

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:40 am
The real currency of human society is man-hours. To reach the desired goal of a Star-Trek like society the key is to reduce the amount of man-hours it takes to produce any product that we consume to a minimum amount possible. That way your time is freed up from doing what you have to do to survive and prosper, and can finally do whatever you feel like.

Though I am not sure if it's desirable to always do whatever you feel like, and never have to do things that you need for survival.

For instance we reduced the man-hours each individual needs to spend out on the crop fields, it freed us up to do other things like building rockets.

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Post Re: Colonizing Venus   Posted on: Sat Apr 27, 2013 3:14 am
Unfortunately our culture and perhaps our brains aren't really prepared to accept and deal with that ability.

Productivity and leisure time are at the highest in human history and what do most people do with it? Watch "reality TV" and play Angry Birds...

The root answer isn't technical, or even economic. It's cultural.


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