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Post Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:05 pm
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/scie ... phere.html

A helium balloon that can reach the Earth's stratosphere will give people the opportunity to become 'space tourists'.

A cabin with room for four passengers and two pilots is attached to a huge, 129 metre diameter balloon Photo: SOLENT

The 'bloon' can climb to a height of 36km, offering wannabe-astronauts the chance to glimpse the sun dawning on the earth.

It's described as a 'near-spaceship' and each trip will cost 90,000 pounds per person, with the journey lasting about five hours

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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Wed Aug 24, 2011 2:19 am
What do two pilots do in a helium balloon?


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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:37 am
Haha indeed :) - I guess it is a safety thing?

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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:28 pm
One pilot for going up and one for going down obviously...

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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Thu Sep 08, 2011 12:55 pm
For $90K per passenger, both "pilots" will probably need to be glorified flight attendants.


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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Thu Sep 08, 2011 3:57 pm
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For $90K per passenger, both "pilots" will probably need to be glorified flight attendants.


Not sure how glorified, but possible membership of the 22mile high club awaits.


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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Fri Sep 09, 2011 9:02 am
Float to the edge of space, 25 miles, and accomplish just about everything that is being done at the 250 mile satellite orbit. Buoyancy rules!

Here's a little research into how Nazi turned into NASA. http://darinselby.1hwy.com/floattospace.html


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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:17 pm
25 miles is nowhere near the edge of space...

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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Mon Sep 12, 2011 8:49 am
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Float to the edge of space, 25 miles, and accomplish just about everything that is being done at the 250 mile satellite orbit. Buoyancy rules!

Here's a little research into how Nazi turned into NASA. http://darinselby.1hwy.com/floattospace.html


Took a quick peek at your website. Too many factual errors for me to read too far. e.g. The V2 was not the 'Buzz bomb'; that was the V1. Named because the pulse jet engine buzzed, and you could hear it coming. When the buzzing stopped, you took cover, because it was on its way down. (My mother nearly got splatted by one - hid in a ditch with her mother and waited for the bang)

The V2 you didn't hear coming.


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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Mon Sep 12, 2011 9:58 pm
The point still remains, "You cannot get good fruit from a poison tree." Peacetime Rocketry, or peacetime Nuclear power? It is an oxymoron to say these words together.

'Nazi technology' seeds were sown into the RECEPTIVE heart of the the American govt. An 'Imagination spell' was cast forth, and the US fell under all its witty charm and glamour. It chose, at the end of WWII, to EXONERATE hundreds of Nazi intelligence officers, and place some into US govt. high positions, in exchange for their technology secrets.


It could be likened to what the parasitic CUCKOO BIRD, and what it does with their egg-switcheroo in another bird's nest. Resident eggs are dropped over the side, and the Cuckoo hatches to be cared for, even though its obviously THREE TIMES the size of the other chicks.

The analogy of a PARASITE fits well here, for it is only able to survive by using its ability to change form, and adapt to its host. And why? To remain undetected, of course.

Nazi-based brutality REIGNS in the development of what took us to the moon, and what continues to happen concerning anything to do with this PATRIOTISM-run wolf in sheep's clothing, modern-day rocketry program.

Please explain why hardly ANYTHING is ever mentioned about the environmental effects of what's comin' out the tail-pipe of these illustrious rockets?

And please, go to NASA's website, and show me where they discuss anything WHATSOEVER about even the possible detrimental effects of their solid rocket booster-spewing ways?

During the Nazi's creative rocket-building push, over 25,000 concentration camp prisoners went to their deaths in the building of these V-1, V-2's, buzz bombs with silent mode, you name it, they were there workin' on it!

And guess what? They were given the desires of their hearts!

It is amazing to be a witness here in modern times, to the extent that this POISON FRUIT has now manifested itself, born out of a forgotten blossom time of THINKING …imbued with FEELING. It is mind-blowing to me to see how many individuals have COLLECTIVELY have given themselves over to this ROCKETRY INSANITY, without any fore-thought to the ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS of their behavior?

So, on a side note, here's one small, yet important detail to always remember when using this 'I AM'-given manifestation ability, on behalf of ourselves and others. And that is, to only cultivate those things that bring joy, and are of good report, are lovely, things with merit and virtue, i.e. only the daily cultivation of the CORRECT use of our wonderful, and collective HUMAN IMAGINATION.

The Nazi regime is also a collective, incarnate group of souls, that had FORGOTTEN why they had really come here for. And that was, and still is, that life on Earth is really just a KINDERGARDEN for exercising our 'image-making muscle'. The Nazis, in all of their brilliance, had allowed themselves to first be ENCHANTED, to then proceed to SLEEPWALK around in this waking dream, and think that they were changing things, purging of the inferior, by their 'shadow-boxing technology' played-out in this world made of HOLOGRAPHIC SHADOWS!

Oh yes, this is what we're experiencing right now at this moment, for sure, and Quantum physics backs me up on this one. Observation changes EVERYTHING in our world. And it is only due to the SLOWNESS OF TIME that we may think that it doesn't work this way.

Unless 'NATURE builds the technology, the workers rise in vain.

At time, why does it appear that it doesn't work this way? Because, there's ALWAYS a gestation period that must occur before something appears in our world. The 'slowness of time' can make it seem that our sustained feelings are mere wishful thinking. Though, 'wait but a little while" is the ancients' way of saying for us to stay loyal to our UNSEEN REALM. Not to waiver in our PERSISTENCE in bringing about ALL that we desire to see happen upon this world's stage. For doubt is the only force capable of disrupting a well-planted seed.

If we could only rise and PERSIST in our our own uplifting dreams, with the same passion and fervor that the Nazi's descended to with their hates, just IMAGINE how quickly everything around could change!

And, do so without us ever having to lift a finger. Why? Because our wonderful human Imagination, in its awaked state, supersedes and rises head-and-shoulders above the rest of humanity, who really has not, as of yet, allowed themselves to finally just stand up, and open this chest of GOLD they were sitting upon to beg for alms! It is an un-merited gift that each one of us has coming!

Once the seed of 'being and having' finds its good soil within us (i.e. when we finally DROP our desire, convincing ourselves that what we seek is already true)… to then confidently and expectantly wait.

We then secretly care for it and water it with our attention from time-to-time. Not wondering IF our sustained feeling is coming to pass, but how are we, in this moment, preparing for its arrival?

A moment is all it takes to 'lift one's eyes to the hills of an inner range', and to feel the THRILL of things already being so!

Gratitude and RELIEF are the two great emotions that, through our daily experiences are learning how to use wisely to manifest our tomorrows.

For it is those two emotions that always imply our wish has been realized.

It is only through our Imagination that we can ever LOSE ourselves in the imaginal act, and give it the right to then physically appear in our world.

Once we recognize this powerful 'other being' within ourselves, and SURRENDER to the fact that our MINDS truly are the temple of God, or 'I AM', then we no longer take into our being any LUXURIES of negative thinking or speaking ill, whatsoever!

Why? Because it directly affects what we invent and come up with.

If an inventor has a 'mental diet' of potato chips and pop, guess what kind of invention will come forth? A sprouted salad?

At times we can feel as if we have nothing to do with our outer reality, and that we're such the VICTIM of circumstances.

On the contraire, there is nothing that appears in our world unless it is first FELT. For, a thought will produce NOTHING until it is entertained.

Once a thought is felt, be it good, bad or indifferent, it MUST produce a corresponding outer effect in our world.

That is, unless it is counteracted by us CONSCIOUSLY thinking feelingly into a different direction. Today, we may not even recognize our own harvest that's all around!

So, in this moment, let the weak one say, "I am strong", for we only attract to ourselves the very thing that we're already en rapport with.

Fake it, 'til you make it! is actually some good advice to follow!

For, eye has not seen, nor ear has heard, the things prepared for those who love Nature's way, and are called according to IT's purpose.

If we, as a people, have unwisely impressed ourselves with the unlovely, and we become aware of getting off course, that's when we need to stop plantin' those seeds that are givin' us these weeds!

How can we do this if we don't have a BLUEPRINT to go by, and to follow? You know, if we don't have some system WORKING ALREADY to go by?

It just so happens that we do have just that, and it is a branch of Science called, BIOMIMICRY. Its approach allows Nature to be the teacher in a better design in ALL our contrivances.

It is a reverence for an inventor to maintain this attitude of mind, if he wants to succeed with his design, where the environment and all of life benefits in the process, for this is eternally true.

We cannot one-up and try to usurp Mother Nature's ways of gettin' the job done w/o dire consequences. That's just not nice.

And that is why I believe that BUOYANCY rules the roost, as far as utilizing the most BENIGN approach to going out to the EDGE OF SPACE.

I know that I said in the previous post that this was at only at about 25 miles altitude. Let me clarify that. 99.5% of the atmosphere is completely gone at this point.

So, please tell me where that is, then, if that's not the edge of space?

Economical, SUPER-PRESSURE 'pumpkin' balloons are regularly used by the industry to lift, and hold aloft, MANY TONS of instrumentation at a time, and for extended periods of time.

This replaces the need for ANY higher orbital deviceI repeat, I repeat, this replaces the need for ANY higher orbital device.

Then, once and for all, sweep the place clean so it's no longer an orbital debris scene, and git the heck outta there!

Is that too much to ask for, environmentally-speaking?

Everything that we're trying to accomplish at these hundreds-of-miles orbital patterns can be done with these special balloons.

So then, why are satellites and the Space Station orbiting out at hundreds of miles?

Because the are not buoyant. They have to be up that high, or they'd fall back to Earth!

When finally seen for what the so-called Space program REALLY is, reveals that it ALL has been and INCREDIBLE WASTE of technology resources, and at HUGE detrimental expense to the environment and all of life on Earth, to have to deal with.

The ole WERNHER VON BRAUN / WALT DISNEY Conquest of Space PIPE DREAM wasn't really that well-thought after all.

Why?

BECAUSE THE NAZI'S CAME UP WITH IT!

Yes, we've all pretty much bought the farm with this rocketry stuff, brainwashed way-back-when as children, watching three influental Walt Disney SPACE CONQUEST movies!

(Google 'em on Youtube.)

With the Nazi's downward-spiraling manifestation of HATE toward the people of England, they became COMPELLED to do their warmongering tasks, discoveries, inventions geniously-concocted, doors opening left and right for them to achieve what had never been done before, what they for so long had mentally-brooded upon.

And thanks to the FRONTAL LOBES of many like-minded individuals collectively kickin'-in, they achieved their purposeful aim.


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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:31 am
Marcus Zottl wrote:
25 miles is nowhere near the edge of space...


True but it "looks" like space. The sky is black above, you are above all the clouds, and you can see the curvature of the Earth.

On the downside, its above 99% of the atmosphere and about as hostile as actual "space", more so if you consider the corrosive ozone and monoatomic oxygen.


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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:58 am
DarinSelby wrote:
The point still remains, "You cannot get good fruit from a poison tree." Peacetime Rocketry, or peacetime Nuclear power? It is an oxymoron to say these words together.

'Nazi technology' seeds were sown into the RECEPTIVE heart of the the American govt. An 'Imagination spell' was cast forth, and the US fell under all its witty charm and glamour. It chose, at the end of WWII, to EXONERATE hundreds of Nazi intelligence officers, and place some into US govt. high positions, in exchange for their technology secrets.


It could be likened to what the parasitic CUCKOO BIRD, and what it does with their egg-switcheroo in another bird's nest. Resident eggs are dropped over the side, and the Cuckoo hatches to be cared for, even though its obviously THREE TIMES the size of the other chicks.

The analogy of a PARASITE fits well here, for it is only able to survive by using its ability to change form, and adapt to its host. And why? To remain undetected, of course.

Nazi-based brutality REIGNS in the development of what took us to the moon, and what continues to happen concerning anything to do with this PATRIOTISM-run wolf in sheep's clothing, modern-day rocketry program.

Please explain why hardly ANYTHING is ever mentioned about the environmental effects of what's comin' out the tail-pipe of these illustrious rockets?

And please, go to NASA's website, and show me where they discuss anything WHATSOEVER about even the possible detrimental effects of their solid rocket booster-spewing ways?

During the Nazi's creative rocket-building push, over 25,000 concentration camp prisoners went to their deaths in the building of these V-1, V-2's, buzz bombs with silent mode, you name it, they were there workin' on it!

And guess what? They were given the desires of their hearts!

It is amazing to be a witness here in modern times, to the extent that this POISON FRUIT has now manifested itself, born out of a forgotten blossom time of THINKING …imbued with FEELING. It is mind-blowing to me to see how many individuals have COLLECTIVELY have given themselves over to this ROCKETRY INSANITY, without any fore-thought to the ENVIRONMENTAL EFFECTS of their behavior?

So, on a side note, here's one small, yet important detail to always remember when using this 'I AM'-given manifestation ability, on behalf of ourselves and others. And that is, to only cultivate those things that bring joy, and are of good report, are lovely, things with merit and virtue, i.e. only the daily cultivation of the CORRECT use of our wonderful, and collective HUMAN IMAGINATION.

The Nazi regime is also a collective, incarnate group of souls, that had FORGOTTEN why they had really come here for. And that was, and still is, that life on Earth is really just a KINDERGARDEN for exercising our 'image-making muscle'. The Nazis, in all of their brilliance, had allowed themselves to first be ENCHANTED, to then proceed to SLEEPWALK around in this waking dream, and think that they were changing things, purging of the inferior, by their 'shadow-boxing technology' played-out in this world made of HOLOGRAPHIC SHADOWS!

Oh yes, this is what we're experiencing right now at this moment, for sure, and Quantum physics backs me up on this one. Observation changes EVERYTHING in our world. And it is only due to the SLOWNESS OF TIME that we may think that it doesn't work this way.

Unless 'NATURE builds the technology, the workers rise in vain.

At time, why does it appear that it doesn't work this way? Because, there's ALWAYS a gestation period that must occur before something appears in our world. The 'slowness of time' can make it seem that our sustained feelings are mere wishful thinking. Though, 'wait but a little while" is the ancients' way of saying for us to stay loyal to our UNSEEN REALM. Not to waiver in our PERSISTENCE in bringing about ALL that we desire to see happen upon this world's stage. For doubt is the only force capable of disrupting a well-planted seed.

If we could only rise and PERSIST in our our own uplifting dreams, with the same passion and fervor that the Nazi's descended to with their hates, just IMAGINE how quickly everything around could change!

And, do so without us ever having to lift a finger. Why? Because our wonderful human Imagination, in its awaked state, supersedes and rises head-and-shoulders above the rest of humanity, who really has not, as of yet, allowed themselves to finally just stand up, and open this chest of GOLD they were sitting upon to beg for alms! It is an un-merited gift that each one of us has coming!

Once the seed of 'being and having' finds its good soil within us (i.e. when we finally DROP our desire, convincing ourselves that what we seek is already true)… to then confidently and expectantly wait.

We then secretly care for it and water it with our attention from time-to-time. Not wondering IF our sustained feeling is coming to pass, but how are we, in this moment, preparing for its arrival?

A moment is all it takes to 'lift one's eyes to the hills of an inner range', and to feel the THRILL of things already being so!

Gratitude and RELIEF are the two great emotions that, through our daily experiences are learning how to use wisely to manifest our tomorrows.

For it is those two emotions that always imply our wish has been realized.

It is only through our Imagination that we can ever LOSE ourselves in the imaginal act, and give it the right to then physically appear in our world.

Once we recognize this powerful 'other being' within ourselves, and SURRENDER to the fact that our MINDS truly are the temple of God, or 'I AM', then we no longer take into our being any LUXURIES of negative thinking or speaking ill, whatsoever!

Why? Because it directly affects what we invent and come up with.

If an inventor has a 'mental diet' of potato chips and pop, guess what kind of invention will come forth? A sprouted salad?

At times we can feel as if we have nothing to do with our outer reality, and that we're such the VICTIM of circumstances.

On the contraire, there is nothing that appears in our world unless it is first FELT. For, a thought will produce NOTHING until it is entertained.

Once a thought is felt, be it good, bad or indifferent, it MUST produce a corresponding outer effect in our world.

That is, unless it is counteracted by us CONSCIOUSLY thinking feelingly into a different direction. Today, we may not even recognize our own harvest that's all around!

So, in this moment, let the weak one say, "I am strong", for we only attract to ourselves the very thing that we're already en rapport with.

Fake it, 'til you make it! is actually some good advice to follow!

For, eye has not seen, nor ear has heard, the things prepared for those who love Nature's way, and are called according to IT's purpose.

If we, as a people, have unwisely impressed ourselves with the unlovely, and we become aware of getting off course, that's when we need to stop plantin' those seeds that are givin' us these weeds!

How can we do this if we don't have a BLUEPRINT to go by, and to follow? You know, if we don't have some system WORKING ALREADY to go by?

It just so happens that we do have just that, and it is a branch of Science called, BIOMIMICRY. Its approach allows Nature to be the teacher in a better design in ALL our contrivances.

It is a reverence for an inventor to maintain this attitude of mind, if he wants to succeed with his design, where the environment and all of life benefits in the process, for this is eternally true.

We cannot one-up and try to usurp Mother Nature's ways of gettin' the job done w/o dire consequences. That's just not nice.

And that is why I believe that BUOYANCY rules the roost, as far as utilizing the most BENIGN approach to going out to the EDGE OF SPACE.

I know that I said in the previous post that this was at only at about 25 miles altitude. Let me clarify that. 99.5% of the atmosphere is completely gone at this point.

So, please tell me where that is, then, if that's not the edge of space?

Economical, SUPER-PRESSURE 'pumpkin' balloons are regularly used by the industry to lift, and hold aloft, MANY TONS of instrumentation at a time, and for extended periods of time.

This replaces the need for ANY higher orbital deviceI repeat, I repeat, this replaces the need for ANY higher orbital device.

Then, once and for all, sweep the place clean so it's no longer an orbital debris scene, and git the heck outta there!

Is that too much to ask for, environmentally-speaking?

Everything that we're trying to accomplish at these hundreds-of-miles orbital patterns can be done with these special balloons.

So then, why are satellites and the Space Station orbiting out at hundreds of miles?

Because the are not buoyant. They have to be up that high, or they'd fall back to Earth!

When finally seen for what the so-called Space program REALLY is, reveals that it ALL has been and INCREDIBLE WASTE of technology resources, and at HUGE detrimental expense to the environment and all of life on Earth, to have to deal with.

The ole WERNHER VON BRAUN / WALT DISNEY Conquest of Space PIPE DREAM wasn't really that well-thought after all.

Why?

BECAUSE THE NAZI'S CAME UP WITH IT!

Yes, we've all pretty much bought the farm with this rocketry stuff, brainwashed way-back-when as children, watching three influental Walt Disney SPACE CONQUEST movies!

(Google 'em on Youtube.)

With the Nazi's downward-spiraling manifestation of HATE toward the people of England, they became COMPELLED to do their warmongering tasks, discoveries, inventions geniously-concocted, doors opening left and right for them to achieve what had never been done before, what they for so long had mentally-brooded upon.

And thanks to the FRONTAL LOBES of many like-minded individuals collectively kickin'-in, they achieved their purposeful aim.


I invoke Godwin.

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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Tue Sep 13, 2011 4:05 pm
JamesG wrote:
Marcus Zottl wrote:
25 miles is nowhere near the edge of space...


True but it "looks" like space. The sky is black above, you are above all the clouds, and you can see the curvature of the Earth.

On the downside, its above 99% of the atmosphere and about as hostile as actual "space", more so if you consider the corrosive ozone and monoatomic oxygen.


Of course!
My short post was just to point out one of the more obvious flaws in the claims of our new member.

@ JamesHughes
Haha, but I guess you could have invoked godwin already in your last post ;)



Seriously, the signal to noise ratio in the forum has gotten much worse over the last few months here... :(

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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:08 pm
Whew, you are right. That last post was over the top? "I'm typing, and I can't get up!" As my New Yorker friend would say to me about things that are seemingly out of our control,

"Eh, whaddyagonnado?" Take the Jon Stewart approach? Keep 'em rolling on the ground with laughter, while the TRUTH gets told at the same time.

Godwin's Law? THAT'S IT in a nutshell! Thanks, and I plan to look into this further.

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Post Re: Helium balloon will take space tourists into the atmosphere   Posted on: Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:20 am
JamesG wrote:
Marcus Zottl wrote:
25 miles is nowhere near the edge of space...


True but it "looks" like space. The sky is black above, you are above all the clouds, and you can see the curvature of the Earth.

On the downside, its above 99% of the atmosphere and about as hostile as actual "space", more so if you consider the corrosive ozone and monoatomic oxygen.


If a balloon can provide much of the experience of being on the edge of space for days on end, why pay for a shorter, more expensive ride on a suborbital rocket?


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