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Posted by: Dan Frederiksen - Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:42 pm
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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:53 am
while it is true one might profess a truth one does not understand or found through mental acitivity, but you do not care about such nuances, you merely go with whatever random desperate thought comes to mind in an effort to avoid admitting that I was not inconsistent and that you did indeed err.


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:14 am
Nevermind. A toast to the intelligent conversation we almost had. I wish you well. Until you have nothing to fear in allowing for other people to be already "awake" then we have nothing to discuss. Arguing with sleeping people is your inconsistency Dan.

Make a concrete statement and I will weigh it's merit with you. But if you cannot accept our intellectual tools as real then there is no road forward.


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:19 am
I am well aware of the potential futility of trying to reach the dead. it wouldn't be an inconsistency though even if it was foolish.
while I wouldn't continue forever, as evidenced by not continuing to respond to those who enjoy being mindless like culture, I do believe the dead stand a chance and deserve a moment of opportunity just as I got it.
and while many will violently oppose any measure of reason here, they might well go onto to assume that reason as their own in conversations with others.
not to mention that I grow as well in dealing with others even if you do not.


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:50 am
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Sigurd, if I am as deluded as so many claim, what's fun about it to you? is it possible that some of the things I say resonate as true? that behind all the thoughtless responses to me is a certain... awe? that you like to hear it even though you wont readily admit it..


I cannot speak for him, but as I am new here, I am still assembling a model of your nature, filling in the unknown areas that are part of your psyche. I don't know how long I will continue to find that interesting. I think you have an exaggerated view of the value of your positions posted here.


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:11 am
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Doubly moot point considering the "defenders" against Satan, the Christians where the main distributors of slaves,


Actually, that's impossible. The Christians got most of their slaves from Moslems, that is, the Western slave trade was fed by the Islamic Empire. Outright slavery had been eliminated in the Christian world for several centuries, before being re-introduced by way of Islamic slave traders. Even if that were not true, if all the slaves in the West were created out of thin air, the number of slaves in the Islamic world exceeded them.

You might find it interesting to know the Islamic raiders were a menace throughout the Northern Atlantic throughout the "Age of Exploration." These Barbary Pirates preyed on small coastal populations as far North as Iceland and The Netherlands. The first recorded Barbary Pirate raid in the New World came just 7 years after the Pilgrims landed. The Barbary Pirates even took an entire Irish village (Baltimore, County Cork) prisoner; only 2 of the prisoners ever saw their homes, again.

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weapons, wars, and drugs throughout history.

Similarly, this is also an exaggerated sense of history. The West has done its share of these things, it is true, but so has Islam, amongst others.

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The Armadillo team has written the code, bent the metal, and invested their time that they will never get back. They deserve respect for this. The talent of people such as Carmack, Musk, Rutan, Bigelow, Masten, Goff, Breed, and the crew that these people have assembled are the people that pull humanity forward by the scruff of it's neck.


Exactly so.


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:44 am
Ah I see. By labelling us as the 'dead', it gives you the justification to say or do anything you want to us. It gives you complete freedom to insult, abuse and even murder whoever you want. You have the power to justify any action, because in your mind its justified by god. That must be nice. You can do whatever 'god' tells you to do. And such a message can appear to you at any time in any form.

Perhaps you should write a list of the people who you deem dead. No, that might be too long. How about a list of the people you deem to be alive. Or maybe its just you? God made the whole universe just to test your faith?


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Post Re: How many years John..   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:07 pm
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I wasn't raised christian and the faith of this country is weak. the priests are clueless, often times bizarrely enough they don't even believe. My faith did not come from 'my' culture.
and I am vegetarian for I shall not kill. I escort little flies in my apartment outside rather than kill them. even mosquito. not that you will understand.

you will eventually know that I am right but you might not be alive in that moment.


Creepy vegetarian from Europe who hates killing animals, believes the religious establishment is clueless, and believes that he is a visionary genius. Also this European believes he is a near profit, and everyone will eventually come around to his way of thinking. Dan, a little suggestion, never bring up Hitler again, the similarities in personal viewpoint are REALLY scary.


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:25 pm
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Dan, a little suggestion, never bring up Hitler again, the similarities in personal viewpoint are REALLY scary.


Once again, Godwin's law is proven correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

Nothing against you SpacexULA, you weren't the first to bring up Hitler, just the most recent.


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Post Re: How many years John.   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:41 pm
Dan Frederiksen wrote:
tmelton, you first agree with me that it's easy and then say I don't know what I'm talking about...

and in 30 years many on this list will have died from old age and that might well include John Carmack, you schmuck. we don't live forever here!

you can't even spot an obvious contradiction and you want to question my understand of engineering difficulty..
my point is exactly: 'while we're still alive please'. and of course it can be done in short order. John just doesn't yet have the focus and the courage. I don't particularly blame him for the lack of courage, I've built a 2 liter solid propellant rocket and that was a somewhat scary notion to fill that with molten rocket fuel, but I would like him to at least admit that to himself and be aware of the math of lean orbit. being conscious of what one is doing is extremely empowering.

John is very talented but he's not flawless. don't be scared of that truth. it doesn't weaken you, it empowers you.


Dan, find a dictionary and look up sarcasm. Then re-read what I wrote and see if you get it. For a genius, your sure aren't too bright.


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Post Re: How many years John..   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:59 pm
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Creepy vegetarian from Europe who hates killing animals, believes the religious establishment is clueless, and believes that he is a visionary genius. Also this European believes he is a near profit, and everyone will eventually come around to his way of thinking. Dan, a little suggestion, never bring up Hitler again, the similarities in personal viewpoint are REALLY scary.


I noticed the similarities too, and I thought about commenting on it. It's like pouring water on a duck though, Dan is incapable of looking at himself in a critical light. All his energies seem to be focused on seeing the faults in other people and he has no capacity left to try to improve himself. If Dan really is 34 that's kinda worrying. I have a friend who is a child psychiatrist and I'm gonna ask him to read this thread and see what he thinks.

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Post Re: How many years John..   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:17 pm
Dan Frederiksen wrote:
I wasn't raised christian and the faith of this country is weak. the priests are clueless, often times bizarrely enough they don't even believe. My faith did not come from 'my' culture.
and I am vegetarian for I shall not kill. I escort little flies in my apartment outside rather than kill them. even mosquito. not that you will understand.

you will eventually know that I am right but you might not be alive in that moment.


Hi, Dan.
There is no commandment not to kill. I know this because I have read the bible. In the ORIGINAL HEBREW. The actual commandment (Which applies to both Jews and non-Jews) is "אל תרצח" - "Don't MURDER"! "Don't kill" would be "אל תהרוג". The commandment is mistranslated in many christian translations. In fact, it says in the bible to kill animals and people many times. For example - "if someone comes to kill you, get up and kill him first." Another example - the many animal sacrifices.
How can you base your belief in the bible when you don't even know Hebrew?
Awaiting your reply.

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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:37 pm
Yehoshua, when would a killing not be murder. The police come rushing: did you murder him? nah I just killed him. well fine then, carry on. think!

and the passage about getting up to kill someone is in the talmud, not in the bible. some rather sick elements are in judaism. not to mention the rather key difference between christianity and judaism. you are the people God called stubborn, and you still are. just your recent history after the country of Israel was reestablished is filled with a disregard for life not unlike nazism. you may know the Deir Yassin incident and that seems indicative rather than isolated. 'You' think the land belongs to you and you kill and steal indiscriminently. I'm not saying the palestinians are angels, but if one listened to God the first 10 times you might have learned the lesson by now that if you are with God you have no problems and when you have problems it is because you are behaving poorly.
but you don't bear the guilt of your entire people, if you make the right choices you will be fine.


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:12 pm
Dan, why are you still here!?

Nobody here likes you!!!!! You dont listen to anyone and you sprout complete bollocks! your stupid looking giant head actually makes me want to throw my new widescreen monitor out the window or question if the avatar has somehow scewed ur head!!! I bet you were the kid that followed everyone else around and told your mum they were your friends!

Either play nice or go Troll another forum!!!! I hear the Manchester United Forum need another muppet to question their ideas! Nobody owes you anything!!! Ive actually been biting my lip not to say all of this last week. We havent banned you so just stop arguing everything, see that people have ideas that differ from yours. You arent arrogant, you just play that card to hide the fact you are so insecure!!!

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Now for the rest of us, we can get back to talking about Armadillo in the Armadillo forum!!

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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:27 pm
Rob, is this because of the Jewel Heist comment? : )

if by your own 'logic' people are just expressing different opinions to mine and I shouldn't argue with them, then am I not also just expressing different views that you shouldn't be too concerned with...

why does it scare you so much that you are afraid to think?
are you playing nice?


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Post Re: How many years John   Posted on: Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:38 pm
Dan Frederiksen wrote:
Yehoshua, when would a killing not be murder.

Murder is, at least, the destruction of innocent life; I might say further that murder is the destruction of life without appropriate authority (that is, legal authority). Also, only humans can be murdered; animals are simply killed. Even so, the wanton destruction of life, whether human, animal or plant, is restricted in Scripture, though for different reasons.


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