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Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2003 9:22 pm
Posts: 859 Location: New York, NY |
i don't care what the gas is, i'm using ideal gas law. and speed of sound doesn't matter i'm not sure where you thought i was using that. basically i'm doing the simplest possible assumptions you can make to model a gas gun: a lot of pressure in a small volume, expanding into a larger volume and hence propelling the projectile. in the first i assume this expansion is isothermic (constant temperature), and hence the dependent constant is nT, number of moles of gas * temperature. next i assume it is isobaric (constant pressure), in which case i calculate the required pressure to get the necessary velocity upon exiting the gun.
i take force = area * pressure, then calculate delta-E (for first case), or delta-V (for second case). _________________ Cornell 2010- Applied and Engineering Physics Software Developer Also, check out my fractals |
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Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:29 pm
Posts: 637 Location: Austin, Texas |
Well, I used some software that was handed down to me from a friend of a friend that built the Rice University LGG and I went with that. There gun hit 7.5km/sec. and just looking at it the numbers looked ok to me. No I did not check it manualy so are you interested in the data?
Monroe Team Prometheus _________________ Today's the day! We go into Space! |
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Space Station Commander ![]()
Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2003 9:22 pm
Posts: 859 Location: New York, NY |
o if you used software i'm not going to dispute your results, the model it uses is undoubtedly far more accurate than my crude calculations. i got the right order of magnitude for the pressure so close enough. just one more question though- i'm not too familiar with shock but it seems like there would be a good chance you'll have to do something clever to keep the electronics stable after being shot out of a super powerful gun like that. or is that not a concern?
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Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:01 am
Posts: 750 Location: New Zealand |
Well you can epoxy everything to stop chips coming apart, but that adds to the mass of the sat.
_________________ What goes up better doggone well stay up! - Morgan Gravitronics, Company Slogan. |
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Space Station Commander ![]()
Joined: Fri Sep 05, 2008 9:29 pm
Posts: 637 Location: Austin, Texas |
I don’t believe any electronics can survive near a million g's. My idea is to have a very elliptical orbit and watch for Re-entry along the line of fire and hope it re-enters at night. Because most shooting stars are very small (grain of sand) and don’t have an orbital trajectory. Our re-entry would have a very long tail. It is the N-Prize you know and it has to be cheap and dirty.
Monroe Team Prometheus _________________ Today's the day! We go into Space! |
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Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:01 am
Posts: 750 Location: New Zealand |
Well you know how I am planning on keeping my first stage on the ground...
Quote: Although HARP was discontinued, it was the most impressive effort ever made to blast payloads into space using a cannon -- and in fact appears to be the only project that ever succeeded in doing so. It was also groundbreaking in developing rocket technology for launch by artillery, and in developing instrument and guidance systems that could withstand the stresses of being fired out of a gun. _________________ What goes up better doggone well stay up! - Morgan Gravitronics, Company Slogan. |
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