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Post Odyssey Moon WINS the "Odyssey Moon Lunar X Prize"   Posted on: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:01 am
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might Odissey-Moon be the Google's expected, preferred, designed, "The Chosen" and (maybe) "funded" GLXP team to WIN the prize?

...with ALL other teams that just play the "sparring partners" role?

reading the news about the GLXP teams, my true impression is that Odissey-Moon has some "advantages" over the other teams and will be the winner, then, it will give all rights to Google... :)

with a "chosen to win" team, Google doesn't risk that a GLXP team will sell its knowledge to a competitor, like (e.g.) Microsoft... :)


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Post    Posted on: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:29 am
Thats kinda like saying McCain is a pre-selected sparring partner for Obama and that both receive funding from the same sources...

Oh wait. You might be right.

However as Google already has their own satellites why wouldn't they inhouse a lunar probe team if they had a long term specific interest in the data or control over the rovers?

This approach guarantees competetion will be prevalanet, espically in light of the fact there is a second place prize.

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Post    Posted on: Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:29 am
idiom wrote:
Google already has their own satellites.


not true, since (so far) Google just "uses" the images sent from satellites developed, built and launched by experienced aerospace companies

(so far) Google has ZERO experience about spacecrafts and spaceflights, then, it needs help from space-guys to reach its goal

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Post    Posted on: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:10 am
Google has huge amounts of aerospace experience amongst its employees.

Beyond that it has Zero experince at 95% of what it does because those things have never been done.

How many of the Alt-space companies have built moon-probes before?

Google has zero experience therefore it has to hire someone else with zero experience. That is a new level of self-contradiction for you Gaet.

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Post    Posted on: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:29 am
idiom wrote:
How many of the Alt-space companies have built moon-probes before?


this is true for the GLXP "sparring-partners" while Odissey-Moon has some former (experienced) NASA employees inside it (that's why it should be the winner team)

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Post    Posted on: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:49 pm
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just five weeks after my doubts (and my post here) this news confirms ALL my suspects about the """Google""" Lunar X Prize correctness... :twisted:

so (clearly) ALL other GLXP teams are (definitely) only the Odyssey Moon's "sparring partners"

just remember that Google has several agreements with NASA and (also) has rented (for long time) a NASA building and the space to build another in two NASA space centers!

this kind of join venture means that Google (or a small and, maybe, also non-american, GLXP team) CAN'T "compete" with NASA in the lunar exploration, landing a rover on the Moon BEFORE the US space agency and WITHOUT its logo!!! ...as I've already predicted (in my ghostNASA articles and with several space forums' posts) over one year ago...

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Post    Posted on: Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:19 pm
It would be nice to know what those 're-imbursement' costs are.

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Post    Posted on: Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:46 pm
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It would be nice to know what those 're-imbursement' costs are.


the REAL value of the GIANT advantage Odyssey Moon will have, ISN'T the use of NASA hardware, materials, instruments, test machines, etc. but the FREE NASA's KNOW-HOW (that is PRICELESS)

if (e.g.) they'll use $2M of NASA "things" and pay a $2M "remboursement", it will never be the right price for the REAL value of the know-how they'll receive developing its lunar rover in the SAME labs, with the SAME tools and side-by-side with the SAME engineers that have developed the Sojurner, Spirit, Opportunity, Cassini, Phoenix, etc. !!!

the US government have paid hundreds billion$$$ over the last 50 years to "build" the NASA's know-how about spacecrafts, spaceflights, space probes, Mars rovers, landers, procedures, materials, software, etc.

and now, NASA will give away its valuable know-how to Odyssey Moon (and ONLY to Odyssey Moon) FOR FREE

it's a $500+ million GIFT that Odyssey Moon NEVER can pay!!!

surely, Odyssey Moon can't "pay" the NASA's know-how just "reimbursing" the nuts and bolts (or the electricity...) they'll use developing its rover in the NASA space centers!!!

it's really incredible that no one of the other GLXP sparring-partners/teams did not PROTEST for the GALACTIC advantage that NASA and Google are giving to Odyssey "The Chosen" Moon, or (at least) ask them to have the SAME advantages, develop their rovers in the SAME space centers and use the SAME know-how the NASA engineers may/will give to Odyssey "The Chosen" Moon!!!

last, I've read in a comment to this news, that, also the GLXP rules prohibits to all these "independent" teams to receive any kind of help (money and/or know-how) from government agencies!

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Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:28 am
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more about the NASA/Google/Odyssey Moon agreement/help here:

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ ... 18826.aspx

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Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:33 am
Have you not considered that Nasa with all their know-how (that you consistently side against) may be the kiss of death for odessy?

They cash a lot of help and huge amounts of cash to Kistler...

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Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:47 am
idiom wrote:
...may be the kiss of death for...


no, their success in robotic missions is clear, they'll give a giant help to Odyssey Moon

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Post    Posted on: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:28 am
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just read this:

"The MoonOne lander will be adapted from a nifty bit of hardware being cultivated at NASA Ames - the Common Spacecraft Bus. I’ve seen this equipment myself - and a dedicated team at Ames has been working diligently on this multi-purpose gear, all made possible by Ames leader, Pete Worden."

from this article:

http://www.livescience.com/blogs/2008/1 ... with-nasa/

Odyssey Moon will have a "ready to eat" dish from the NASA Ames center saving decades of research and hundreds millions of dollars!

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Post    Posted on: Sat Nov 01, 2008 1:35 pm
I think that I have a few thoughts about this.

1. You are right that this competition is not now a level playing field for all teams and that Odyssey have an unfair advantage.

2. Someone might actually win this prize which will be a better outcome than what has happened with Bigelow's ASP.

3. NASA gets to test some of their kit rather than letting it collect dust before coming obsolete and being scraped, always good for tax dollars.

4. Perhaps other government space agencies will aid other teams and create competition at higher levels and national pride might add another dimension to the competition.

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Post    Posted on: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:01 pm
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Odyssey have an unfair advantage.


an euphemism to say that Odyssey Moon has 99% of chances to win the prize thanks to Google support, lots of money, NASA engineers inside it and the Odyssey/NASA agreement to use the Ames center know-how and hardware!!!

now the other GLXP teams have nearly ZERO chances to win, since, thanks to NASA help, Odyssey Moon will be able to land a rover on the moon when all other teams will still be at the RC-cars model level... a really "honest" and "fair" competition... like Google...

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NASA gets to test some of their kit rather than letting it collect dust before coming obsolete and being scraped, always good for tax dollars.


it "would" be a good news if the same know-how and hardware (a several billion$ value!) will be given FOR FREE to ALL lunar prize teams and ALL companies that want to launch a luanar rover...

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other government space agencies will aid other teams and create competition at higher levels and national pride might add another dimension to the competition


a TRUE "private companies prize" should NOT have any financial and/or know-how help from space agencies, aerospace companies and governments!!!

also, I doubt that countries like China or India or Japan (that can accoplish that mission with their own technology) will ever join the GLXP or help the US teams to win the prize

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Post    Posted on: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:07 pm
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latest news say that also the Senior LEGO Director Lewis Pinault has joined Odyssey Moon:

http://www.googlelunarxprize.org/lunar/ ... of-advisor

from the article, we know that "He serves on the European Space Agency's Visionary Industry Group Committee."

with the support of NASA, Google and (now) an ESA official, the (former) "Google Lunar X Prize" ultimately become the "Odyssey Moon [own] Lunar X Prize"

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