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Last 3 LLC teams
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Joined: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:51 am
Posts: 455 Location: Vienna, Austria, Europe, Earth ![]() |
I've been following unreasonable rockets blog for quite some time now and I too find paul breeds achievements quite remarkable. The pace how he basically started from scratch again about a year ago is amazing, especially because it is only a father & son team.
Regarding your question about footage of other teams: TrueZer0 apparently is just right behind of unreasonable rocket regarding progress of their LLC vehicle. You can find some pictures and videos on their webpage: http://www.truezer0.com/ |
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Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:33 pm
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Still no update on the xprize llc page.
The web page says that one of the 3 mystery teams participated last year. Masten has publicly announced that they won't fly this year, and speedup has announced they're out for this year. That leaves Micro Space and Acuity as possibilities for the unknown teams. |
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Joined: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:01 am
Posts: 173 Location: Dallas, TX ![]() |
It's my understanding we're past the date that "mystery teams" either need to let themselves be revealed, or are no longer in competition this year... and they haven't been officially revealed.
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Joined: Fri Sep 10, 2004 5:35 am
Posts: 207 Location: New Zealand/Europe ![]() |
Looks like the 3 remaining teams are:
Acuity Technologies (Back from 2007) www.acuitytx.com High Expectations Rocketry www.highexpectationsrocketry.com Seraphim Works ?????????????? For some reason my PC I'm on at the moment will not load the LLC page, but I found these on hobbyspace, so have not scene the official page. HER has a few pictures and video under media on their site, interesting looking vehicle they have I must say! So thats ya competition guys!!! Iain ---------------------------------------------- http://kiwi2space.blogspot.com |
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Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:44 am
Posts: 707 Location: Haarlem, The Netherlands ![]() |
I find it interesting that almost all of them have vehicles much lighter than what AA have. Of course, the mod wasn't designed for the LLC specifically, but Pixel was. Is it just that the others have a much lighter vehicle, with correspondingly less need for fuel, and so on, until they end up with a much smaller craft, or is there simply no way they're going to be flying for three minutes despite having signed up for level two?
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Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:22 pm
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No way with peroxide monoprop.
It'd be great to see a competition for level 1, though. I filmed some of Unreasonable's tests, and it's a neat vehicle. If they can get it back together, and if TrueZer0 can get their stability code and hardware worked out, three different crafts flying the level 1 profile would be quite the sight. I'm still hoping to figure out a good enough reason to convince my boss to let me go. ![]() |
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Joined: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:22 pm
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I just looked at High Expectations, I'd never heard of them before. THis worries me though:
"and can be stable in flight without active attitude control" Either they mean that it's aerodynamically stable in one direction with enough velocity, or they've fallen prey to the inverted pendulum fallacy. In an LLC flight, it shouldn't ever go fast enough for aerodynamic stability to be an influence. |
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Joined: Tue Dec 07, 2004 6:50 am
Posts: 265 Location: UK ![]() |
Control, control, you must learn control!
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Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:10 pm
Posts: 11 Location: Warsaw-Poland ![]() |
Well, in fact no vehicle can be passively stable during entire flight envelope containig both powered takeoff and landing.
rgds Sebastian _________________ If you can't do it right, do it left! |
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Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:57 am
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Does anyone know which teams will actually fly this year for the LLC? I have been looking at the permit applications and I don't think the FAA updates their website often enough to be able to tell who has a permit to fly for the event. As far as I can tell there seems to be only three teams with hardware that could fly, if it were permited too This is bsed more on the updates I have seen here than anything else, and I am not sure two of them will be ready in 2 weeks, although they do get a A for effort.
Does anyone else have any other details? The LCC site is pretty skimpy on infomration and details. |
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Joined: Thu Dec 09, 2004 1:33 pm
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Looks like they've officially moved the LLC to Lac Cruces International, and haven't moved the date. Good news for Armadillo, but I'm afraid no one else will be ready. Hopefully a few teams will have something they can fly.
http://www.livescience.com/blogs/author/leonarddavid/ Good news for Armadillo |
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Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 4:24 pm
Posts: 2 Location: Cincinnati, OH ![]() |
So no updates? Is everything on track for the 25th?
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Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:44 am
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Ben wrote: I just looked at High Expectations, I'd never heard of them before. THis worries me though: "and can be stable in flight without active attitude control" Either they mean that it's aerodynamically stable in one direction with enough velocity, or they've fallen prey to the inverted pendulum fallacy. In an LLC flight, it shouldn't ever go fast enough for aerodynamic stability to be an influence. Well, actually, what if their rocket contains a gyro or two to keep it pointing in the same direction? It would add weight, sure, but it might just work... |
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Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:10 pm
Posts: 11 Location: Warsaw-Poland ![]() |
But gyro is not passive stability... And then it only slows down attitude change, and it's not enough, unless you store in it (rotational) energy comparable to the energy stored in fuel.
Anyway, it's all to vague, we can only speculate what they (High Expectations) mean... rgds \Seb _________________ If you can't do it right, do it left! |
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Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:10 pm
Posts: 11 Location: Warsaw-Poland ![]() |
So it looks that TrueZer0 are going. But their vehicle has not been tested in 90s nor free flight. I wonder if they don't have to perform test flight before the contest -- stuff like qualification flight and flight for their FAA/AST permit / waiver. So it's still not clear if AA will (finally) have a competition...
rgds \Seb _________________ If you can't do it right, do it left! |
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