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Political danger for private space travels?

Posted by: Ekkehard Augustin - Tue Nov 30, 2004 8:30 am
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Post    Posted on: Fri Dec 03, 2004 12:48 pm
Andy Hill wrote:
like I said humanity is doomed to keep making the same mistakes and Thog was probably no different to us. :)

I'm not sure you know what the word "same" means. Or is it just me?
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Even though it was a SI-FI writer postulating ideas it makes you wonder what people are capable of though dosn't it? These wild ideas often have a way of coming true, although I hope not in this case.

Now I think you're misusing the word "often" here. It would be more accurate to say "almost never". It's like watching people on tv winning the lottery and then coming to the conclusion that people often win the lottery (which is only in the most general sense true, it doesn't mean that if someone buys a lottery ticket they're going to be on tv next week). Despite this, what you say does remind me about the old chestnut about a million monkeys banging away at a million typewriters and producing Shakespeare. Although it has been accurately stated that the internet disproves at least the numerical part of this equation.

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There was an article dealing a bit with conservation (the original thread) I saw in the same journal, see link

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.12/germ.html

Nice read, thanks. I particularly liked the reference to "The Andromeda Strain".

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You're right about being bored with the thread. I dont really want to be caste in the role of "NASA basher", I think they have enough detracters without me adding to the general carping.

Well ... there are lots of NASA bashers here. Occasionally I'm one too. Brilliant use of the word "caste" by the way, please tell me it's not just a spelling error because it really is quite good.

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Post Changing the roadblocks from NASA and government   Posted on: Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:07 pm
It seems that some roadblocks to space are being slowly removed in the US. But NASA is acting with great reluctance, it cuts into their rice bowl. What do we need to communicate to our elected officials to get more action out of NASA for promotion of private spaceflight? What are some legitimate reasons for NASA to try to limit private spaceflight?


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Post Mars   Posted on: Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:13 pm
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If I get there first all bets are off. :) grin.

Lets say we get there first. (Dad how much farther? not very much farther now son!)

Hurry up!

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Post    Posted on: Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:12 am
Andy Hill wrote:
NASA spent Billions developing hardware that it then cancelled in mid project before real benefits were seen (X33, X37, X38 and the latest X43), if one had been pursued the CEV programme might have already had hardware, seems like history repeating itself to me.


FYI: X-37 was not cancelled...it's launching on an Atlas 5 in December this year (2008). And the X-43 essentially was re-numbered to the X-51. (source wikipedia).


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Post    Posted on: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:27 pm
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Andy Hill wrote:
NASA spent Billions developing hardware that it then cancelled in mid project before real benefits were seen (X33, X37, X38 and the latest X43), if one had been pursued the CEV programme might have already had hardware, seems like history repeating itself to me.


FYI: X-37 was not cancelled...it's launching on an Atlas 5 in December this year (2008). And the X-43 essentially was re-numbered to the X-51. (source wikipedia).


It was by NASA, DARPA now runs the project. When I wrote the above entry (4 years ago) I'm not sure it was general knowledge that DARPA was taking over the project but even if it was what I wrote was/is correct NASA cancelled the project. CEV itself was more or less cancelled as the requirements were changed and the project eventually became Orion. With the constant problems with Orion (Mainly due to its Ares 1 booster) I will be surprised if it survives in its present form.

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Post Re: Political danger for private space travels?   Posted on: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:57 am
well i think the NASA is always ready for what ever possible happen..



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Post Re: Political danger for private space travels?   Posted on: Mon Jul 20, 2009 9:56 am
ranbudzz wrote:
well i think the NASA is always ready for what ever possible happen..


I think that the exact opposite is probably true, that NASA spends most of its time at the mercy of various politicians and is forced to react rather than follow a pre-determined strategy. A couple of examples:

Robbing other parts of the NASA budget to cover the extra cost of constellation does not indicate that NASA was ready for a shortfall in available funds (most projects would build a contingency into their plans to cater for this, either as a pot of cash available in an emergency or extra margin in the original design that allowed more flexibility. I see NASA's raiding of other projects as a failure to do either of this things or at worst the adoption of a design that was flawed to begin with.

Failure to see that Rocketplane Kistler were never going to launch anything and still giving them a COTS contract despite their obvious problems at raising cash (probably due to their rocket never being finished or ever having a test flight, they blew hundreds of millions of dollars over nearly a decade without anything to show for it).

Trotting out old shuttle-C launch vehicles as an alternative to Ares/Orion to the Augustine commission does not seem like a back up plan, particularly when these same (or very similar) designs have already been dismissed as inadequate and the shuttle contracts are starting to be closed down.

The gap in US Access to space has not shrunk, in fact it has increased, this is despite having had many billions of dollars and five years to work on the problem.

So how is NASA prepared other than badly ?

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