Community > Forum > The Spaceflight Cafe > Man Conquers Space

Man Conquers Space

Posted by: perigee - Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:26 pm
Post new topic Reply to topic
 [ 17 posts ] 
Man Conquers Space 
Author Message
Spaceflight Enthusiast
Spaceflight Enthusiast
avatar
Joined: Fri Jul 29, 2005 4:45 pm
Posts: 3
Post Man Conquers Space   Posted on: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:26 pm
There doesn't seem to be any discussion about this announced alternative history film, or mockumentary as some refer to it. It's a "what if" story about the direction the space program might have taken were it not for political expediences of the time. The imagined outcome places the first moon landing in the early 60s, the first Mars landing by the late 60s and sizable [400,000+] offworld colonization by present day.

The main site is Man Conquers Space. The 168MB trailer is worth the download.

I was both encouraged by the optimistic tone of the futuristic predictions and discouraged by the less exciting reality of today. I hope this project is actually completed. It could make people consider what might have been... :cry:


Back to top
Profile
Moon Mission Member
Moon Mission Member
User avatar
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:52 am
Posts: 1368
Location: Exeter, Devon, England
Post    Posted on: Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:44 pm
i caught someone the other day talking about a different world, saying what would have happened if the NAZI's had won the war, what would have happened to the German Scientists. With their technology what might have been? Was a scary discussion! Think my mind went of on a tangent to command and conquer red alert at tha point! always a thought though! Ill give this one a download, might be slightly more positive!

_________________
> http://www.fullmoonclothing.com
> http://www.facebook.com/robsastrophotography
> robgoldsmith@hotmail.co.uk


Back to top
Profile WWW
Space Walker
Space Walker
User avatar
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:28 am
Posts: 189
Location: Northern California
Post    Posted on: Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:46 pm
I'm curious to see how 1962 technology could have landed a man on the moon. I liked the trailer, though. The music was very inspirational.

_________________
Something is impossible until it isn't!


Back to top
Profile
Space Walker
Space Walker
User avatar
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:28 am
Posts: 189
Location: Northern California
Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:00 am
So could we have really been on Mars by 1968? That's sounds extremely implausible given what we still don't know today. What kind of effect does long term space travel has on the human body for one.

_________________
Something is impossible until it isn't!


Back to top
Profile
Moon Mission Member
Moon Mission Member
User avatar
Joined: Fri Jan 09, 2004 11:52 am
Posts: 1368
Location: Exeter, Devon, England
Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:43 am
might have been able to get there, doesnt mean they would have come back.

Also i bet if people were pushed it could happen and they (eg NASA) could hide the effects on the astronauts from the press for a while.

_________________
> http://www.fullmoonclothing.com
> http://www.facebook.com/robsastrophotography
> robgoldsmith@hotmail.co.uk


Back to top
Profile WWW
Space Station Commander
Space Station Commander
avatar
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 1:25 am
Posts: 887
Post    Posted on: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:10 pm
I have no doubt but that a flyby mission at least was possible.


Back to top
Profile
Space Walker
Space Walker
User avatar
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:28 am
Posts: 189
Location: Northern California
Post    Posted on: Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:41 pm
Here's an article that critiques Braun's plans that were outlined in Collier's Magazine back in the early 1950s. According to the article, Von Braun's plan was not practical was destined to fail if it was implemented.

http://www.spacedaily.com/news/rocketscience-03zzf.html

_________________
Something is impossible until it isn't!


Back to top
Profile
Spaceflight Enthusiast
Spaceflight Enthusiast
avatar
Joined: Sat Feb 09, 2008 8:42 pm
Posts: 4
Post    Posted on: Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:37 am
Rocket Scientist wrote:
I'm curious to see how 1962 technology could have landed a man on the moon. I liked the trailer, though. The music was very inspirational.



Here is my site devoted to the Colliers Series.

http://home.flash.net/~aajiv/bd/colliers.html

By the by that was 1948-1953 technology! Not 1962.
If you read the von Braun novel The Mars Project issued in 2006 (written in 1948!) you will see he had men on the moon in the 1970's and the Mars Expedition happening in 1985.


Back to top
Profile
Space Walker
Space Walker
User avatar
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:28 am
Posts: 189
Location: Northern California
Post    Posted on: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:11 pm
aajiv wrote:
Here is my site devoted to the Colliers Series.

http://home.flash.net/~aajiv/bd/colliers.html


Nice website.

Quote:

By the by that was 1948-1953 technology! Not 1962.


So there would have been no improvements in rocket technology from 1953 to 1962?

Quote:
If you read the von Braun novel The Mars Project issued in 2006 (written in 1948!) you will see he had men on the moon in the 1970's and the Mars Expedition happening in 1985.

I'd like to read that book. I'll look for ti the next time I'm at Barnes and Noble.

_________________
Something is impossible until it isn't!


Back to top
Profile
Space Walker
Space Walker
User avatar
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:28 am
Posts: 189
Location: Northern California
Post    Posted on: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:20 pm
NASA's push to use the capsule spacecraft design pigeon-holed them for many years. The X-20 Dyna-Soar was a fixed wing spacecraft that was being develped by the U.S. Air Force in the early 1960s but was canceled. I can only imagine what kind of spacecraft we could have today if they continued to develop a Dyna-Soar type spacecraft. Alas, NASA has gone back to the capsule design for the new Orion program. I guess that means 30 years of space shuttle development and operations goes to waste? :roll:

_________________
Something is impossible until it isn't!


Back to top
Profile
Space Station Member
Space Station Member
User avatar
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:09 pm
Posts: 485
Location: Maastricht, The Netherlands
Post    Posted on: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:02 pm
30 years of shuttle development? I must have missed something. I thought the capsule design is the most effective form to transport the heat away.

Every design has it's pro's and con's. For the moment, it would be better if they would design something that simply worked and could be run the cheapass way.


Back to top
Profile
Space Walker
Space Walker
User avatar
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:28 am
Posts: 189
Location: Northern California
Post    Posted on: Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:41 pm
Stefan Sigwarth wrote:
30 years of shuttle development? I must have missed something. I thought the capsule design is the most effective form to transport the heat away.

I said development AND operations. Next time please don't just quote part of my post.

Quote:
Every design has it's pro's and con's. For the moment, it would be better if they would design something that simply worked and could be run the cheapass way.

Yes, and that time and effort developing a "better" capsule will take away from developing a "real" spacecraft. And they haven't actually build a single Orion capsule yet and the schedule keeps slipping.

_________________
Something is impossible until it isn't!


Back to top
Profile
Moderator
Moderator
avatar
Joined: Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:01 am
Posts: 747
Location: New Zealand
Post    Posted on: Wed Mar 05, 2008 5:18 am
Nasa should fly whatever the commercial market is flying.

The 30 years of shuttle has been a large waste in many many ways.

The things we learnt are how many things we don't know, are a bad idea, or we are not ready for.

_________________
What goes up better doggone well stay up! - Morgan Gravitronics, Company Slogan.


Back to top
Profile ICQ YIM
Space Station Member
Space Station Member
User avatar
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:09 pm
Posts: 485
Location: Maastricht, The Netherlands
Post    Posted on: Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:23 am
Rocket Scientist wrote:
I said development AND operations. Next time please don't just quote part of my post.


Geez cool down. How is any single shuttle-operation not a waste of time and money?


Back to top
Profile
Space Walker
Space Walker
User avatar
Joined: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:28 am
Posts: 189
Location: Northern California
Post    Posted on: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:24 pm
Stefan Sigwarth wrote:
Geez cool down. How is any single shuttle-operation not a waste of time and money?

No more a waste of time and money as using a space capsule system. We build this huge launch vehicle stackup and the only thing that returns to earth is a tiny capsule which isn't even reusable. And that is more economical than a reusable spacecraft? The space shuttle is not a true resuable spacecraft either. But it should be a stepping stone towards truly reusable spacecraft. I'll put it this way. If you got a group of engineers, scientists, and managers that worked on the space shuttle and other space systems over the years and told them to come up with a preliminary design of reusable spacecraft and use lessons learned from the space shuttle they couldn't come up with a better system?

_________________
Something is impossible until it isn't!


Back to top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 17 posts ] 
 

Who is online 

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 9 guests


cron
© 2014 The International Space Fellowship, developed by Gabitasoft Interactive. All Rights Reserved.  Privacy Policy | Terms of Use