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Heavy Lift missions

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Misc.

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=18247
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 6&posts=84
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... sp?tid=877
http://www.topgear.com/content/features ... /03/1.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 11&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =1&start=1
http://simcosmos.planetaclix.pt/
http://www.makeyev.ru/english/start.htm
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... start=1///
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... &start=871
http://www.spacevideo.ru/films/4/f4_3_en.htm
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Post    Posted on: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:42 pm
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Ares V and family

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/const ... index.html
http://www.vision-play.com/products/gam ... view3.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17522
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... entid=8688
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=16806

Ares IV
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17512
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=16969
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17289
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=16971
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... light.html
Longfellow
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17524

Direct alternatives
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... start=1381

The kerolox option
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 23&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17519

From the web:

"In the late 90's I wrote an article for a magazine talking about heavy lift, Shuttle-derived boosters. Back then, the RS-84 was still on the table. "
http://www.astronautix.com/engines/rs84.htm
"I imagined keeping the 8.4m E.T. tooling and using 4x RS-84 on this corestage with the relevant change in tank sizes to accomodate the Kero-Lox fuel ratios. The upper stage would have been a single SSME and 2x standard 4-Segment SRBs would be used. "
"The standard crawlers would have taken these boosters quite well and less launchpad mods than Ares V would be needed. "
"Today, we know that J-2X would be used on the upper stage and 2x RD-171 +plus 1x RD-180 would fit on the bottom of the corestage. This booster would lift about 130 metric tons to LEO. (Borrowing from Direct): With a stretched corestage and 5-Segment SRBs, the payload figures would exceed 140 tons. Then, you've various upgrade paths that include changing the solids to Kero/Lox strap-ons (2 OR 4x) etc. Starts to look and sound more like the Evolved Atlas concepts, doesn't it?"

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/12480.jpg

Solids:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=14774
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=14781
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=14827
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=14827

HLLVs
http://24.73.239.154:8081/lcm/Rockets2.jpg

upper stages?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... entid=9573
http://www.flickr.com/photos/simcosmos/160787411/
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 27&start=1

The PARIS HLLVs
http://cleanslatesociety.50megs.com/PARIS.html
http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5220
http://cleanslate.editboard.com/Discuss ... p31.htm#31
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 21&start=1

Sea Dragon update
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 21&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =7&start=1

Orion to Mars video
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 24&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 6&posts=30

Misc.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5007
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5008

Russiaspace
http://www.spacevideo.ru/index_en.html
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5018

I wonder when http://www.k26.com/buran will be updated...
http://www.maxuta.com/mode.2810-id.3010


Shuttle II
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 48&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17665

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 12&start=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8xDpVUj5SQ&NR
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... &start=121
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5012
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=5013


Solids and more:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17724
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17661
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 21&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17602
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17598
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox_searc ... /trailera/
http://www.spacevideo.ru/update/update_en.html
http://simcosmos.planetaclix.pt/

Book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... opediaastr


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Post    Posted on: Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:39 am
Ares I and Aborts
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 49&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 6&posts=18

Direct
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/814/1

http://www.up-ship.com/Book/preview.htm


Funny stuff and cool links

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ocket.html
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc ... 0882387819

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYKfQYxXxvc&NR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb6LWk1-tDc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tREXkjRyC0s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HSYC6Wl ... ed&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5RqAREb ... ed&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9x6rDl63P4
http://batmobilehistory.com/index.html


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Post    Posted on: Fri Mar 02, 2007 10:21 pm
For what it's worth--some folks want to build a real flying saucer--of sorts:
http://www.tudelft.nl/live/pagina.jsp?i ... 1e96058b5f


I don't know as I'd ride in it...

There was a design for an HLLV saucer, however... http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/roost.htm

Misc.
http://www.spacestationsim.com
http://www.aer.bris.ac.uk/publications/space.html


New engines
http://www.gatech.edu/news-room/release.php?id=1281

More debris...
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 6&posts=17

JSC's cool retro space concept site.
http://www1.jsc.nasa.gov/er/seh/exhibit.html

Asteroid laser
http://www.al.com/news/huntsvilletimes/ ... xml&coll=1

Fusion/clean energy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6673788606
http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/03 ... _for_.html

Ares I escape tower designs
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=17502

New lander info
http://www.aiaa-houston.org/cy0607/even ... -20-07.pdf

Tornado in Enterprise Alabama
http://attackmachine.proboards56.com/in ... 1172846755

Test:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/20 ... first.html


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Post    Posted on: Sat Jun 23, 2007 7:22 pm
Misc.

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk ... l&Ntt=MLLV
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=360&id=1051
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=322&lupubid=25
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=166

www.cgpublishing.com

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Chi ... s_999.html
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/ap ... ocket.html


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Post    Posted on: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:57 pm
Ares V gets eyes?

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/const ... copes.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =2&start=1
http://www.physorg.com/news102086141.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Think ... s_999.html

The ultimate:
http://www.tsgc.utexas.edu/archive/design/foci/


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Post    Posted on: Sat Aug 18, 2007 6:09 pm
The ultimate in Heavy Lift--Orion
http://youtube.com/watch?v=V1vKMTYa40A

Other nuclear options
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8605&posts=16&start=1

STARSHIPS!!
http://www.aiaa-houston.org/newsletter/jan07/jan07.pdf Starships
http://www.andrews-space.com/images/videos/PAPERS/Pub-InterstellarTransportation(200307).pdf
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7657&posts=131&start=1 super-earth
http://obswww.unige.ch/~udry/udry_preprint.pdf


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_Venus_Flyby
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/getfile.asp?file=Video_K-1-CONOPS.wmv

Interplanetary Mission baselines
http://www.nasa-academy.org/soffen/travelgrant/bethke.pdf
http://www.aiaa-houston.org/horizons

Big Gemini NeXt
http://www.frassanito.com/work/exploration/exploration_big01.jpg
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8492&posts=14&start=1

Good for Shuttle C?
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode%20matchall&Ntt=Shuttle-C

This was Mike Griffins old Direct Ascent concept
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment-big.asp?action=view&attachmentid=25350

Winged Apollo concepts
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/space-modelers/files/Apollo%20-%20X-15%20Shuttlecraft/



Bookstores, Burans--
http://www.astrobooks.com/
http://www.cgpublishing.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buran-modeling/files/
http://www.lindenhillimports.com/amodel.htm


--and Moon base:
http://www.draaisma.net/space-tourism/moon_base_landing.php
http://thespacereview.com/article/882/1




Other uses for Heavy Lift---Space Based Solar Power (SPS)
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/06/post.html#comment-77479116
http://spacesolarpower.wordpress.com/the-national-security-space-office-study/
http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/06/post.html
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/070725_techwed_pentagon_spacepower.html

Here is the group behind this SPS study

http://www.acq.osd.mil/nsso/
email nsso.pnt@osd.mil

Origami might help in folding of SPS...and the new radio telescope proposed for Ares V might be a good frame

Other Space telescopes:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070613_tw_gamma_burst.html

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/constellation/ares/space_telescopes.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8708&posts=2&start=1
http://www.physorg.com/news102086141.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Thinking_Big_About_Space_Telescopes_999.html

http://www.tsgc.utexas.edu/archive/design/foci/html


Heavy Lift links:

Saturn V
http://spacemodels.homepage.dk/saturnv/SLA/SLA.htm

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/AGirRuJbuCrm1Y4lJR2UD6n7HhwJJ18VX2ILk1tWQwhG4wfCQWGSo5rJIeNbSsW3-9bllEVkxsWw1OWSHDJ8D4PuPSM3lZQCCzY/saturn%20v%20varients.pdf

Ares Vhttp://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4654&start=120

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5086&posts=121#M158213
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7589&posts=73&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7682&posts=37&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7775&posts=5&start=1
http://www.safesimplesoon.com/AresV-config.htm
http://www.safesimplesoon.com/mythbusters2.htm
http://www.directlauncher.com/
http://www.launchcomplexmodels.com/Public/DIRECT/DIRECT-II_Family.jpg
http://www.launchcomplexmodels.com/Public/DIRECT/Direct_v2_Infrastructure.jpg
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=5016&start=1681
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7868&start=1


Other boosters
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4221/ch8.htm
http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4221/p354.htm
http://history.nasa.gov/MHR-5/part-7.htm

ALS/NLS
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment-big.asp?action=view&attachmentid=21084

Mega Lift:
http://newmars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5215&start=20
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk=all&Ntx=mode%20matchall&Ntt=MLLV
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=360&id=1051
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=322&lupubid=25
http://www.aiaa.org/content.cfm?pageid=166


Ares I, and a strange?
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6579&posts=19&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7011&start=31

Orion--the capsule.
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7872&start=46&posts=59
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7842&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=6795&start=31&posts=36


Tests in the desert
http://spacecraft.ssl.umd.edu/SSL.photos/SSLevent.photos/2004/040915.AZtests/040915.index.html



Russian tech: Soyuz to the moon...
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/070628_private_moonshot.html
Soviet launch system--Dnepr and Proton
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8604&posts=2&start=1
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/SES_Signs_For_Five_Launches_with_ILS_For_Protons_Through_2013_999.html

Rockets for sale?
http://www.eprimeaerospace.com/vehicles.htm

Kliper..
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=638&start=16&posts=24

Another Soviet system
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7173&posts=6&start=1

Private MOL?
http://excaliburalmazobserver.blogspot.com/2007/05/top-door-bottom-door-side-door.html


China's turn
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/China_To_Increase_Payload_Capacity_Of_Carrier_Rockets_999.html
http://www.space.com/missionlaunches/ap_070618_china_rocket.html
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/808/1


ATK and more

Solids under control:
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Aerojet_Demonstrates_Key_Advances_In_Controllable_Solid_Propulsion_Rocket_Motors_999.html


Train crash of the SRB:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7770&posts=37&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7755&posts=102&start=1
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2007/05/damage_from_space_center_fire.html
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment-big.asp?action=view&attachmentid=20882
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/get-attachment-big.asp?action=view&attachmentid=20881
http://astronautique.actifforum.com/
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fastronautique.actifforum.com%2F&langpair=fr%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools



Interesting space and tech news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/01/magazine/01nasa-t.html?hp
http://www.space.com/entertainment/070506_spaceweek_tv.html
http://www.physorg.com/news88439430.html One photon storage

Electrogravitics again
http://www.hpcc-space.de/publications/documents/LauncherSymPaper2007-0-42JHCorrected22April.pdf
But Casimir has been reversed...


A "fun report"...
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=8065&start=1

Tornado Damage from space
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/wisc_tornado.html

http://www.spacemart.com/reports/Plastic_That_Grows_On_Trees_999.html
http://www.spacemart.com/reports/Hydrogen_Breakthrough_Could_Open_The_Road_To_Carbon_Free_Cars_999.html
http://www.spacemart.com/reports/Scientists_Demonstrate_High_Performing_Room_Temperature_Nanolaser_999.html

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070623_mars_terraform.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070620_hubble_ceresvesta.html

Space X has made Nasaspaceflight!
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=7520&posts=4&start=1

North Pole's next visitors
http://www.energy-daily.com/reports/New_Russian_Tanker_Company_To_Develop_Arctic_999.html

If Dubai can build this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AlBurjPanorama.jpg

--They can afford heavy lift


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Post    Posted on: Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:13 am
publiusr wrote:
If Dubai can build this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AlBurjPanorama.jpg

--They can afford heavy lift
That link is broken. But I agree with the implication of the "they can afford" phrase, which is that heavy lift is expensive.


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Post    Posted on: Sat Sep 22, 2007 4:48 pm
Less so than medium lift--five RS-68s per 130 tons is less than 18 of them on six Delta IVs with six upper stages, pad delays, etc.

Energiya book out--model too.
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/kits/ ... m-t2.shtml
http://www.praxis-publishing.co.uk/view ... earch=home
http://fpmail.friends-partners.org/pipe ... 23763.html


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Post    Posted on: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:39 am
You sure are a busy Lad there Pub...

I will see if I can't find you some more links ;)

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Post    Posted on: Mon May 19, 2008 9:17 pm
Thank you.

Here is a link or two that might interest you


More trouble from the fighter jocks
http://spacefellowship.com/Forum/viewto ... 0970#30970

Other reasons for heavy lift...
http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bits ... 8-03_A.pdf

Cool models of Energiya Buran
http://www.anigrand.com/catalog_space-1.htm

More here
http://www.starshipmodeler.net/talk/vie ... 4&start=30

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/los.html

"To top it off, Khrunichev drafted a family of giant rockets, with a cargo capacity to low-earth orbit ranging from 45 tons to an incredible 175 tons!"

Other
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/ard.html#agreement


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Post    Posted on: Tue May 20, 2008 12:05 am
Big telescopes revisited--for Ares V
http://www.livescience.com/blogs/2008/0 ... -5-rocket/

New report
http://www.livescience.com/blogs/2008/0 ... e-science/

Science Opportunities Enabled by NASA’s Constellation System, is a product of the National Research Council’s Space Studies Board, written by a blue ribbon panel of experts.

http://www7.nationalacademies.org/ssb/c ... 8_NASA.pdf
http://www.nap.edu/catalog.php?record_id=12201
http://books.nap.edu/openbook.php?recor ... 201&page=5

http://www.astrobiology.net/archives/20 ... rc_on.html
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/cp/me ... eetingNo=1
http://www8.nationalacademies.org/cp/pr ... ?key=48895

I tried to leave a comment on Leonard Davids blog as shown at the top of this post--was logged in--registered--and none of my comments (just links to JPLs Ares V-positive report) were accepted. Uh-huh...

More
http://search.live.com/results.aspx?src ... ion+System

http://www.dogpile.com/dogpile/ws/resul ... ceUrl=true


This report is one I would be quoting.
http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bits ... 8-03_A.pdf

At least we know that one wasn't cobbled together by Hack Delta II payload junkies who would sooner lie than admit Ares V's superiority.

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Ares I news
http://www.space.com/news/080515-nasa-ares-delays.html


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Misc.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Space ... m_999.html
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Tur ... y_999.html
http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Rus ... t_999.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Solar ... e_999.html
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology ... lator.html
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... pacts.html

Weird
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... holes.html

"satellites were dragged by about 6 feet (2 meters) every year because our world's gravity, combined with its spin, mucks with the cosmic fabric."

From the nut files
http://www.space.com/news/ap-080514-british-ufo.html
http://www.space.com/news/ap-080513-vatican-aliens.html


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