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Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:30 pm
He didn't manage to make it to the launch site. I love his speech at Goddard--which was in Av Week (at the end--viewpoints)

More on heavy lift here. Take a look at the Nexus HLLV

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=46682

Misc.
Son of Skylon
http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/lapcat_veh.html


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Post    Posted on: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:35 pm
DIRECT: An alternative to Ares I and Ares V:
http://www.directlauncher.com/

If the site is unreachable, try this:
http://www.launchcomplexmodels.com/Direct/

And the key document itself is available at any of these three URLs:
http://www.hays.cc/direct/DIRECT_Launch ... v1.0.4.pdf
http://www.directlauncher.com/doc/DIREC ... v1.0.4.pdf
http://simcosmos.planetaclix.pt/temp/Di ... v1.0.4.pdf


Misc:

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/778/lm3jt9.jpg
One of the three LM Lunar lander concepts

The Lockheed Martin Lunar Lander Configurations (PDF 2MB) document is now online:

Look at the N-1
http://www.rolfstabroth.de/
http://www.ipms-phx.org/

Space elevator--a good payload for Direct
http://www.lulu.com/content/440980

Nice model--and I'm not talking about the rockets.
http://www.cjsaviation.com/

Link:
http://www.myspacemuseum.com/60smodel.htm


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Post    Posted on: Sat Oct 28, 2006 11:28 pm
Direct makes a lot more sense than Ares, if you have to use the shuttle manufacturing & support base. Are 2 RS-68's enough though? Ares V needs 5.


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Post    Posted on: Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:28 pm
It isn't as if it's the first time such an 'HLLV-lite' concept has been proposed, with one fewer RS-68 than even Delta IV 'heavy.'

http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/magnum.htm
http://www.astronautix.com/lvfam/shuttle.htm

Magnum was "similar in configuration to the Titan IV but with over five times the payload capability for one third the launch cost. "


The solids are enough to give the stack a 'run-and-go,'after all. Bill Eoff of MSFC had proposed this a decade ago while NASA was being run by non-engineer Goldin.

Had Griffin been Chief Admin--we might have had it flying by now. Goldin gave us the X-33 crapster, and held nothing but contempt for engineers who supported simple, superiot heavy-lift systems, being in the pockets of selfish scientists who had it in for engineers/propulsion advocates.

X-33 died,------ Pathfinder lived
DC-X died----- MRO lives
OSP died,-------New Horizons lives
X-38 died, ------James Webb lives

Griffin has finally given us the LV advocate we have needed against the pointy-heads and the white-coats who really think all NASA is for is giving self-important academics Delta II rides every other year.

But if you want to actually take humanity forward in human acess to space--they block you. Griffin has bravely stood up to these ingrates-

---and I call them ingrates because Griffin, who is pro-HLLV, supports Hubble repair. O'Keefe who was an EELV shill, didn't.

How many of you really think the scientists are going to be grateful to Griffin for servicing Hubble--and support ARES in return as fair play?

--and how many of you think they will knife him in the back given the chance?

More:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=4886


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Post    Posted on: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:44 pm
More on Direct: http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 9&start=76

Jupiter III

The proposal
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=13384

Art of Jupiter III
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=13385
http://simcosmos.planetaclix.pt/


Tethers
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=13365

Ares V
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 20&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=12846

Landers:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 78&start=1
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=11285

Bigelow Atlas
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 81&start=1

A book on Space War
http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=OS4553

Anti-matter
http://www.aip.org/pnu/2006/split/796-1.html

Ariane 5
http://www.marssociety.de/emc/proceedings/Ferra.pdf

Ariane M again
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 6&posts=23

http://www.flashespace.com/html/esa.htm
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Launchers_H ... GQD_1.html
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php ... post698436

http://www.marssociety.de/html/index.ph ... 0000000000

http://www.marssociety.de/html/index.ph ... 0000000000

In French
http://forums.futura-sciences.com/thread25593.html

1.) The Euro-HLLV (100 tons to orbit--not 41 as I thought before
http://www.marssociety.de/emc/proceedings/Ferra.pdf

Aries/Moonlight update
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ightmode=1


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Post    Posted on: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:57 pm
A few more links:

Movie of the Direct Launcher flight, and the proposal
http://simcosmos.planetaclix.pt/temp/Di ... her_01.wmv
http://simcosmos.planetaclix.pt/temp/Di ... v0.9.5.pdf


http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... &posts=155
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =57#M80115
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 12&start=1

Some uses for Direct. (payloads, missions)
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=11847
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=13617
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=14148
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=10708
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=13279

Nice images of Direct--scroll down:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... &start=106



Jupiter III
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=13384
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 87&start=1

Alternatives
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 13&start=1
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=4886

Pad designs
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 6&posts=27

Moon Landers
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 59&start=1

More on the Russian program's HLLVs

http://www.buran-energia.com/
http://www.buran-energia.com/polious/polious-desc.php
http://www.buran.fr/polious/polious-videos.php

More on Buran, alternate vehicles, including the top mount craft for VULKAN/Energiya:

http://www.buran.ru/htm/history.htm ***Updated!
http://www.buran.ru/htm/38-3.htm#vulkan
http://www.buran.ru/htm/vulkan.htm
http://www.buran.ru/htm/str124.htm

Energiya
http://www.buran.ru/htm/rocket.htm

Spiral
http://www.buran.ru/htm/spiral_5.htm

Buran--the line up (scroll to the bottom)
http://www.buran.ru/htm/ok-92.htm

Alternate vehicles, including the top mount craft for VULKAN/Energiya:
http://www.buran.ru/htm/history.htm
http://www.buran.ru/htm/38-3.htm#vulkan
http://www.buran.ru/htm/vulkan.htm
http://www.buran.ru/htm/str124.htm
http://www.buran.ru/images/gif/mtkvp01.gif
http://www.buran.ru/images/gif/parash3.gif

N-1
http://www.buran.ru/htm/gud%2019.htm
http://www.k26.com/buran

And the Angara 100.
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/angara100.html
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/tks_followon.html


China:
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =5&start=1

Interviews:----

A meeting with Steve Cook
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=14266
Interview with Danny Davis
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=4832

Pete W. supports ESAS
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 13&start=1

Nice website
http://www.zenite.nu/orbita/

Indian LVs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSLV_III
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_ ... 040005.htm

Interesting:
http://www.airclaims.com/Downloads/Space/SINSample.pdf


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Post    Posted on: Fri Dec 22, 2006 10:47 pm
Misc. Links

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 162617.htm

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php ... post889757

http://www.physorg.com/news85060641.html

ULLV

http://uplink.space.com/showflat.php?Ca ... o=0&fpart=

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 86&start=1

http://www.safesimplesoon.com/heavylift.htm

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2006/no ... efing.html

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/164292main_2nd_ ... SCooke.pdf

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/const ... index.html

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/explo ... _conf.html

http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic ... &start=240

http://www.newmars.com/forums/viewtopic ... 0&start=80

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NAS ... e_999.html

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/NAS ... s_999.html

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Phi ... e_999.html

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/LAU ... s_999.html

http://www.amazon.com/Space-Exploration ... F8&s=books

http://www.launchmagonline.com/

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Los ... e_999.html

http://www.moondaily.com/reports/Bizarr ... s_999.html

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 86&start=1



http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 15&start=1

http://simcosmos.planetaclix.pt/06_mult ... VEPics.htm

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=13493

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =8&start=1

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=4936

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 99&start=1

http://www.avweek.com/avnow/news/channe ... Blue_Space

http://starbulletin.com/2006/02/28/news/story10.html

http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=50651


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Post    Posted on: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:23 pm
New Ares I & Ares V models here:
http://www.spacetoys.com/proddetail.php?prod=NPCEV11
Not cheap.

For more HLLV links--look at this updated page here for a run-down of the top links of 2006...

http://www.spacefellowship.com/Forum/vi ... 6094#16094

Rumor has it that Pressure-feds may be making a comeback. Pintle engines are being looked at again. I had some info on Sea Dragon sent to me here, and I'd like to share the links with all if I may.

Sea Dragon concept. Volume 1: Summary

NASA Center for AeroSpace Information (CASI)
NASA-CR-52817; NAS 1.26:52817; LRP-297-VOL-1 , 19630128; Jan 28, 1963

Accession ID: 88N71080
Document ID: 19880069339
View PDF File http://ntrs.nasa.gov/index.cgi?method=d ... 9880069339
Updated/Added to NTRS: 2005-08-25

Sea Dragon concept. Volume 1: Summary

NASA Center for AeroSpace Information (CASI)
NASA-CR-52817; NAS 1.26:52817; LRP-297-VOL-1 , 19630128; Jan 28, 1963

Accession ID: 88N71080
Document ID: 19880069339
View PDF File http://ntrs.nasa.gov/index.cgi?method=d ... 9880069340
Updated/Added to NTRS: 2005-08-25


Volume Two was found recently but doesn not seem to be publicly available at the NASA STI Help desk.

Thanks to Idiom for helping me track this down...

********************************************************

To end 2006, let me give you over to this site.

This has a very nice in-space image of the "Union" spacecraft--perhaps the nicest I've seen...... SOYUZ


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Post    Posted on: Sat Dec 30, 2006 8:02 am
The both pdf-files couldn't be found unfortunately.


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Post    Posted on: Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:32 pm
Great---maybe cut and paste? You might have to do some footwork on that one.

Some other links:

http://neverworld.net/truax/


ARES IV:

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=16920
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 06&start=1

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/20 ... light.html


ARES I
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=16917
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=16919

ASSET/PRIME atop Vega
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 6&start=16 (membership)

R-7 burns up over flyover country
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... 93&start=1

Suborbital
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?Cont ... 6ac4ee6902

Skylab plans
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =5&start=1


Energiya rebirth called for in these plans?
ftp://ftp.estec.esa.nl/pub/aurora/Human ... ersion.pdf
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... =2&start=1

Comparison chart
http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/forums ... ntid=16942

Soviet engines
http://www.kbkha.ru/eng/22.php?type=3&id=21

Revealed
http://public.blueorigin.com/index.html

Another start-up?
http://www.candspace.com/

The Lunar Lander's insides--proposed.
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/content/?cid=4984


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Post    Posted on: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:56 am
publiusr, you seem to have a very high affection for everything thats larger then normal. Nothing wrong with that, but isn't it so that the bigger the ship is, the more fuel you need and thus need more fuel to even carry that fuel into orbit or anywhere? Isn't there a break-even point? Or will the costs of one big rocket in contrast to X small rockets be way smaller?


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Post    Posted on: Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:25 pm
Big rockets use more fuel but carry more payload too.
For any given tecnology, the amount of fuel is proportional to the amount of payload.

Historically, bigger rockets have actually cost less per kg of payload to orbit than small rockets. This is because some critical systems like guidance computer, sensors, batteries, telemetry, etc, don't need to be any bigger for a big rocket, so are a smaller percentage of the payload mass. It's also often cheaper not to have to try and make them as light as possible.


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Post    Posted on: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:22 pm
I'm not saying it can't be done or it shouldn't be done. I'm not that stupid. All i'm saying that there is a likely boundary when it's not sensible (from any point of view) to scale it up more and more.


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Post    Posted on: Fri Jan 19, 2007 7:25 pm
People thought the X-33 could be scaled up--but you just scale up the problems. Bigger rockets also don't get out from under you--don't get away from you.

Blue Origins craft is big enough that--if one weld weighs a little more than another--its not such a big deal. reaction control takes a bit of time.

A very small lander is harder to throttle at that sacle--and it can get away from even a fast computer. Cg can move fast--and the smaller the vehicle--the more trouble you are asking for.

Updates to space tourism
http://www.astronautix.com/craftfam/newurism.htm

Hi-res images now at Mark Wades! Scroll down for Gemini pics.
http://www.astronautix.com/gallery/hires.htm


Misc; In Black and white
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=52614
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=49704
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 162617.htm

Scales
http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=10167

Cool
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg1 ... e-lab.html

http://www.mhprofessional.com/product.p ... promocode=

http://www.aleph.se/andart/archives/200 ... ology.html


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Post    Posted on: Fri Feb 02, 2007 6:33 pm
Some more Sea Dragon links:
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk ... A%2BDRAGON
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. ... 069339.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi. ... 069340.pdf
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?N=0&Ntk ... l&Ntt=HLLV


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