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Posted by: Lourens - Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:22 pm
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Post Re: NASA's new jobs programme   Posted on: Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:58 am
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And Japan had 3G before the US even knew what a cell phone was.


Bullshit


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Post Re: NASA's new jobs programme   Posted on: Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:26 pm
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Also Bollywood (the Indian film industry) is larger than Hollywood


Hollywood created the film industry. Bollywood came after.

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the Wright brothers' key contribution to human flight was the control system, which they based on the ideas of Otto Lilienthal, a German (they did invent key additions)


Everything is based on what came before. The Wright brothers were the first to make airplanes work, before which flight (mostly gliders) was just a hobby.
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Nowadays however the large established players in each market are so powerful politically that I don't think that it's that easy to get in anymore.


It has nothing to do with "large, established, players". It has everything to do with the growth of government. If you invent a better mousetrap, no one can force you to stop selling it, except the government (I know people here will disagree with me about this - people here are wrong :lol:)

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Meanwhile the US government entered into a spending competition with the USSR government (otherwise known as the Cold War), which the Russians lost first (I dare say that the Americans have now lost as well).


The US won that "spending competition" (military spending, that is) because it had enough resources, provided by a (relatively) free market system.

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Finally, the idea of having a government that can tell people what to do is as old as humanity. The difference between now and then is that it used to be simply the strongest who told the others what to do under (implicit or explicit) threat of death or other punishment. Now we have democracies that give the rest of the people a voice too, and attempt to seek compromises that everyone can live with. Of course, this only works if the government can tell the strongest what to do, but there is no other way: the alternative is anarchism and then tyranny. Socialism is an extension of that concept to human compassion, lifting it from a personal emotional issue to a general goal for society. Without socialism, or a social democracy, compassion would be disadvantageous. It shouldn't be.



Compassion means giving of yourself to people who need it, not taking of other people's money to absolve yourself of responsibility. There is a wonderful method of taking care of the needy, and that's called charity. And there would be a lot more charity available if the government didn't suppress the free market's ability to generate the resources needed to give that charity.

The idea of having a government that can tell people what to do is as old as humanity, and that's why people have been in such a miserable state for most of history. In fact, it was the Jews who had the first limited government, with checks and balances (we had a civil war over taxes), and it was only until the United States that the rest of the world started basing governments on those ideals. Freedom is based on limited government, not on democracy. Hitler had wide support among the German people, as have other dictators. Democracy simply means that the majority of the people can order the death of the minority, or in our case, order that a minority has to give the majority its money.

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Post Re: NASA's new jobs programme   Posted on: Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:46 pm
NASA has turned around earth for 40 years. I figure they must be sick of it.

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From the news section (slightly edited and abridged):

NASA is ready to move forward with a new job creation program. The main goals are to "create good-paying American jobs, ensure continued U.S. leadership in space, and inspire millions around the world,". The programme may or may not result in the launch of a rocket by 2017, but any actual hardware is beside the point anyway. As NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said: "While I was proud to fly on the space shuttle, kids today can now dream of one day walking on Mars." To this end, the program includes the sending of a free copy of the relevant works by Ray Bradbury and Kim Stanley Robinson to selected schoolchildren throughout the nation, which will incidentally serve to create more jobs at Random House publishers in New York as well.

The question is though, is this a good way of creating jobs in the US? Any thoughts?

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Post Re: NASA's new jobs programme   Posted on: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:56 am
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And Japan had 3G before the US even knew what a cell phone was.


Bullshit

Well, according to Wikipedia, 3G was launched in Japan in 2001, while this article talks about the rise of GSM in the US, two years later in 2003. TDMA and AMPS did exist in the US before that, but weren't by far in such widespread use as the GSM networks in Europe and Japan at the time. So yes, I was exaggerating, but I don't think I was really wrong.

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Post Re: NASA's new jobs programme   Posted on: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:21 am
I still think you were very, very wrong. I used mobile phones before GSM (NMT) - weren't they mobile phones?


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Post Re: NASA's new jobs programme   Posted on: Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:00 pm
And of course, Apple and Palm, which revolutionized the cellphone and the PDA, are both Japanese companies.

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Post Re: NASA's new jobs programme   Posted on: Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:15 pm
I'd never heard of NMT, but yes, those were mobile phones, and the US had these 1G phones as well. However, the capacity of these (analog) networks was seriously limited, for sure not everyone in Norway had a mobile phone back then as they no doubt do now.

Anyway, it does seem that I underestimated US cell phone penetration; it seems that it was already at 40% in the US in 2001, when Japan introduced 3G. So my statement that most Americans didn't even know what a cell phone was, was incorrect. It took until 2005 for the US to introduce 3G networks, and the US was then still lagging quite a lot in total subscriptions compared to Europe and Asia.

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