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Alt.Space - Promises Kept/Broken

Posted by: Buck.Bundy - Sat Aug 25, 2007 7:24 pm
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Post    Posted on: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:29 am
:arrow: ! ;)

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Post    Posted on: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:25 pm
Buck.Bundy wrote:
The company I can't figure out is PlanetSpace/Canadian Arrow.

From what I can tell Canadian Arrow was bought/merged/absobed into PlanetSpace back in 2005. (Does anyone have the actual particulars of this deal ?) Canadian Arrow had been doing REAL work and making progress during X-Prize 1.0 and basically stopped doing anything after the PlanetSpace thing even though PlanetSpace committed to flying people in 24 months since they had found their Paul Allen. (Dr. Chirinjeev Kathuria)

They went on to submit a proposal for COTS-1.0 and did not make the finalist list. They then when on to announce . . . well there's too much to list here.

The thing that I didn't understand was when there was a news story about LockMart and the Canadian Federal Govenment supporting PlanetSpace's Launch site in Nova Scotia and Mention of LockMart's Athena launcher. ... y/National

The next day a spokesperson for the Federal Minister of industry says they never had ANY discussions and NEVER would. (Saturday no less and then again on Monday by ANOTHER spokesperson) ... y/National ... PyCk361big

There has been NO clarification from the company.

I had thought since NASA had signed an unfunded COTS-1.0 SAA with these people that they were credible.

It appears they are still in negotions for the property to build the launch site on based on an interview with a provincial employee even though they have a milestone (for June) that says they have title to the property. ... ce_SAA.pdf

June 2007 - Milestone 5: Select Launch site in Nova Scotia

Description: Selection of actual real-estate for development as a Nova Scotia launch site.

Success Criteria: Executed document showing title to parcel of land in Cape Breton for orbital launch complex.

Based on the comments from; (Globe & Mail Oct.26, 07)

"A spokeswoman for Nova Scotia Business Inc. confirmed that the government agency is in discussions with PlanetSpace to provide land for the launch site. It was reported last year
that NSB Inc. planned to provide 120 hectares of land for the project, but spokeswoman Sarah Levy said there are still many "moving parts" in the negotiations and that numbers are
not final."


SnakeOil Sheerin has as credibility as Not-so-Flyin Brian Feeney, and turned Cape Breton, Nova Scotia into as cruel a punchline as Feeney did to Kindersley, Sasketchewan.

Pity. Neither Kindersley, Cape Breton nor the fledgling Alt.Space industry deserve the likes of these.

My $ 0.02 worth.


I don't know who all these people are but am very interested in whether or not PlanetSpace is actually building a launch site in Cape Breton... I read about it from something in 2006, but haven't heard anything about it since.

No, wait--I just found something on someone's blog ( ... sites.html) ...

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There's a low moon caught in your tangles"

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Post    Posted on: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:34 pm
Im struggling to get the link to work, has anyone got an updated one?
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Post    Posted on: Mon May 19, 2008 9:52 pm
You have all seen my rants against private spaceflight, like those in later sections here: ... space.html

Here is another reason why private initiatives can hurt spaceflight--not help it....

Golf clubs.

Yes, golf clubs...

Take a look at this AV Week quote from Alan H Epstein from AV Week and Space (page 60, May 12, 2008)

"...engines are mainly metal...the academic community got out of the metallurgic business in the early 1960s when they turned their metallurgic departments into material science departments, and switched steel and aluminum to silicone and electronic materials.....the industry has a huge shortage of metallurgists....The atrophy of government investment in new materials will slow things down. Having a material that costs $8,000 a pound doesn't make it economical...Of Course, the shortage of titanium due to the market for golf clubs isn't helping."

Now he may be joking of course--and probably is.

But what if that isnt all that much of a joke?

Also according to him, it takes "20-30 years and about one billion dollars to get a new material from lab bench to final."

One more strike against Mom & Pop space...

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