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Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?

Posted by: SuperShuki - Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:26 am
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Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects? 

Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss topics that relate to G-d?
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Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects? 
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Post Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:26 am
Hi, everyone,
Sigurd has said that I shouldn't discuss anything related to G-d on this forum. Of course he has the right to say that - he put in a lot of to make this forum. I would never start to write stuff on a forum that he has forbidden, at least intentionally. On the other hand, I think that I was probably manic when I was talking about it before, and I probably didn't discuss it respectfully. The topic of Private vs. Government funding of space keeps coming up, and for me, this is directly connected to my "philosophical" view of life, which is based on belief in G-d. Besides that, the people on this board are pretty smart, and smart people enjoy discussing such things. I just thought that I would do a poll of how many people on the forum would be interested in discussing it, and maybe that would convince Sigurd to lift the ban. I will try my best to be respectful of others, as long as I am not manic, in which case there is nothing I can do about being respectful about anything, since I am convinced that I am the greatest genius who ever lived. If that happens, I ask the people on this board to im me to make sure my pills are in order.

Please write responses to this post explaining your vote.
Anyway, here's the poll:

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:24 pm
The word "dietifical" seems to relate to diet. What has this to do with the topic of the poll?

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 2:54 pm
It's my sense of humor. Dietifical as in, of or pertaining to a Deity. I should have put the i in front of the e. Poetic license.
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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:49 pm
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It's my sense of humor. Dietifical as in, of or pertaining to a Deity. I should have put the i in front of the e. Poetic license.
:D


Perhaps you should put the 'e' in front of the 'i' so people would know what you're talking about.
I'm aware of the fact in some traditions you avoid direct references to the name of a creator.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 4:38 pm
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It's my sense of humor. Dietifical as in, of or pertaining to a Deity. I should have put the i in front of the e. Poetic license.
:D


Perhaps you should put the 'e' in front of the 'i' so people would know what you're talking about.
I'm aware of the fact in some traditions you avoid direct references to the name of a creator.

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That's true, but the truth is, I made a mistake. I meant to write Deitifical and instead wrote Dietifical. I before e except after D. I humbly beg your forgiveness, and ask that you excuse my grievous sin. I throw myself upon your mercy, good sir, I meant no harm.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Sun Jul 22, 2012 11:37 pm
As long as you don't get controversial and talk about transfats transubstantiation is ok tho :wink: :twisted: And i would think better in its own thread in the cafe rather than thread drift elsewhere.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:59 am
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RGClark wrote:
SuperShuki wrote:
It's my sense of humor. Dietifical as in, of or pertaining to a Deity. I should have put the i in front of the e. Poetic license.
:D


Perhaps you should put the 'e' in front of the 'i' so people would know what you're talking about.
I'm aware of the fact in some traditions you avoid direct references to the name of a creator.

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That's true, but the truth is, I made a mistake. I meant to write Deitifical and instead wrote Dietifical. I before e except after D. I humbly beg your forgiveness, and ask that you excuse my grievous sin. I throw myself upon your mercy, good sir, I meant no harm.


If you send a PM to the moderator he'll probably correct the spelling in the thread title.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:08 am
Who is the moderator for the SpaceFlight Cafe?

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:12 am
It's two to one against. I guess I should have expected it - I haven't acted respectfully on this forum when discussing this subject. I hope that people forgive me, I didn't intend to be disrespectful - I have a mental disorder. Oh, well.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:52 am
It should be fine, I don't see a problem with discussing things like that.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:55 am
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Hi, everyone,
this is directly connected to my "philosophical" view of life, which is based on belief in G-d.

Since the very beginning of this forum when I joined it in 2004, my perception is that the purpose of it is to discuss things related to space exploration, not philosophy or religion (or any other topic that someone manages to somehow link with space).

This is the wrong place to discuss religious and philosophical topic in my opinion. There are other forums for that.

If you are still not convinced, consider the following argument:

"I'm wondering if astronauts play chess/listen to music/do sudoku/do X when they are bored. Hence let's discuss chess strategies/musical preferences/sudoku/whatever here.". If you are allowed to discuss religion, I claim my right to discuss chess, music, sudoku and any other hobby I may have. There may be others who can manage to tie their area of interests to space as well.

See? It just doesn't make sense in the long run. Let's stick to space on a space forum.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:59 am
I don't think anybody should have an all out ban on discussing anything here. Being disrespectful should earn some moderator attention though. The most important argument for me is the one you (thomson) make, that it's off-topic to the forum. I think there is some connection between space and religion and mysticism, but it's pretty tenuous, and the problem with arguing from religion about non-religious things is that you always end up with two parties saying "U, because I believe in V" and "X, because I believe in Y". Unless one of them converts to the other's religion, the discussion goes nowhere, and people often get upset and distracted from the original topic.

So I've interpreted the question as "Should we be discussing religious principles of organising society on this forum", and voted no. Those who wish to talk religion with SuperShuki can do so in private messages (as I've been doing), or in another more appropriate forum.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:06 pm
Thomson and Laurens, I see what you are saying. The problem is, for me, this topic isn't tangential. The privatization of space is directly related to the topic of this forum - it started as the Xprize forum (and I was on this forum back then). That's why the topic of government vs. private funding of space keeps coming up. The problem is, for me, the whole question is a practical moral question. I'm not a troll, who tries to bring in a topic that has nothing to do with the topic of the forum (although I may act like that when I'm manic). In the western, christian world, religion is something that remains in the Church, and morality is relegated to a good and bad that has no practical effect on life, and is only needed to merit a good afterlife. Judaism is simply a practical way to live life as free human beings, and in this sense, is not a religion, or a philosophy. It's not like playing chess - it's like discussing the politics of space, or economics of space. There can be socialist christians, and capitalist christians, but in Judaism, the question of government funding of space is a practical question.

Second of all, I never introduced the topic by myself. The first time it came up, was when Dan Fredrikson, a christian, brought up the topic of christianity, and attacked Judaism, and I responded. For some reason, everyone was bothered by my response, when I showed why christianity is wrong. The idea of relative morality, that all religions are equal, and that people have no inherent choice between good and bad, is the basis of socialism (and libertarianism, by the way). The start of private space companies is a direct result of the basic truth that people have free will. It is not a tangential, pie in the sky theory that has no practical benefit - it is the context by which the burgeoning of the whole private space industry must be understood. It is the reason why, for decades, there has been no progress in space.

It is true that I have acted with disrespect on this forum, and for that, I am sorry. I have a mood disorder, and when I am "high" I think I am the greatest genius the world has ever known, and when I am "low", I am absorbed with my own pain and don't pay attention to other people's feelings. I imagine that Dan Fredrikson also has some sort of psychiatric problem, based on his posts, and I think that some compassion would be proper.

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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:27 am
The more religion is removed from everyday issues the better, for the vast majority of people (IMO). If you wish to involve your religion day to day, you are more than welcome, you are perfectly entitled to be religious, but pushing a religious agenda on a Spaceflight forum (or indeed most other forums), I think is unnecessary.

I'm an atheist btw, so I don't like seeing religion brought in to subjects like this, or indeed anywhere where it has no perceived benefit.


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Post Re: Should SuperShuki be allowed to discuss Dietifical subjects?   Posted on: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:06 am
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The more religion is removed from everyday issues the better, for the vast majority of people (IMO). If you wish to involve your religion day to day, you are more than welcome, you are perfectly entitled to be religious, but pushing a religious agenda on a Spaceflight forum (or indeed most other forums), I think is unnecessary.

I'm an atheist btw, so I don't like seeing religion brought in to subjects like this, or indeed anywhere where it has no perceived benefit.


Well, like I said, Judaism is not a religion. Furthermore, I don't have any desire to impose on someone else a value system that they don't want. I don't have an "agenda" to convert the people on the board to Judaism.
If you don't believe that God exists, you are morally obligated to act as if he doesn't exist - although you should always assume a skeptical view not just of God, but also of atheism.

I think the thing that people fear about the subject is the imposition of a value system that takes away their freedom to do what they want. This is not my goal. I don't want to go into a discussion of Judaism for the sake of itself, and I don't want to convert other people on this board to Judaism. I want to talk about why government spending doesn't work, and is detrimental to man's attempt to conquer space. I want to speak my honest opinion, just like on any other subject that relates to space. If other people think that I am right, and change their opinion, that is good; and if they think I am wrong, that is their right, just like on any other topic. But at least let me say my opinion.

Look at it from my perspective - people keep on pushing for more government spending and involvement in space, and I cannot respond. On the whole issue of government as it relates to space, I am left out of the discussion - simply because I think differently than everybody else.

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